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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by ceejayoz »

esja wrote: post #169
omot wrote: post #119

The amount of insecurity in the thread is a little embarrassing gentlemen. Let's be open minded and entertain the possibility that women are indeed more capable and that societal constructs drag down their career opportunities.

Imagine reading that men perform better in their careers, and saying to women: "The amount of insecurity in the thread is a little embarrassing ladies. Let's be open minded and entertain the possibility that men are indeed more capable and that societal constructs drag down their educational opportunities."

I don't have to imagine it; you can see that sentiment on HN threads about gender pretty regularly.

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Post by musingsole »

hcurtiss wrote: post #206
waterheater wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PC or not, academic literature supports your views. http://psych2.phil.uni-erlangen.de/~oschult/humanlab/publica... "Thus, high levels of testosterone are associated with willingness to incur greater risk in both sexes." In my experience, this view has loose ties to ADHD, specifically regarding the hunter-farmer hypothesis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_vs._farmer_hypothesis Doesn't say it in the article, but…

Thanks. I don't have any education in this arena, but I know for certain why we geld male riding horses. It radically changes their disposition.

It takes a skilled rider to even think about riding a stallion. Geldings are puppies in comparison.

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Post by endisneigh »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #254
endisneigh wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I've seen this comment many, many times. Where's the proof? Women crush men in college (see link below) yet most professors are men. People are just spouting unsupported nonsense. Heck my link understates the difference as it is old. https://theop.princeton.edu/reports/wp/ANNALS_Conger,Long_Ma...

There is at least the "women are wonderful" effect covering both why female as well as male teachers may favor girls over boys, including subjective grading methods. That seems enough of a point to counter this being "unsupported nonsense". Additionally, pointing out most professors are men does not counter the argument. Merely the transition of going from a highly cooperation- and rule-following-favored environment…

That just seems like a convenient excuse. Do you have any actual data to support your claim? I notice that no one ever posts any peer-reviewed research, just a bunch of anecdotes.

Also the grandparent claimed that females made rules that benefitted the same gender. In other words in a school setting a same sex relationship between teacher and student is such that the student benefits. However this clearly isn't the case per my college performance citation.

Your claimed "women are wonderful" effect seems to stop conveniently at the career stage of life.

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Post by szhu »

twgp123 wrote: post #180

Throwaway because this is one of the data points you are required to ignore in polite society. Girls receive better grades until you blind the teachers. Teachers are biased in favor of girls, maybe because their behavior is better. The effect of biased grading is enormous and a huge disadvantage to our boys. > Gender-biased grading accounts for 21 percent of boys falling behind girls in math during middle school. [1]…

Serious question, why is this a data point we are required to ignore? There's been a lot of discourse about bias lately, so I feel like this is a data point people will welcome hearing. Thanks for sharing it.

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Post by standardUser »

throwgender123 wrote: post #212

I've noticed throughout my life that negative outcomes that primarily affect females (math test scores, wage gap, etc) are Huge Problems That Demand Immediate Action, and negative outcomes that primarily affect males (language test scores, life expectancy gap) are just kind of how it is. I'm not bitching about it or pushing an agenda, but it's not subtle.

Generally speaking, the clearly oppressed and disadvantaged group is the one we focus on in terms of equity. Men are not, nor have they ever been, that group.

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Post by endisneigh »

esja wrote: post #247
endisneigh wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boys having trouble with a teaching method does not mean said teaching method is inherently discriminatory towards boys nor does it mean that its favorable towards girls. Do you not understand? I'm sorry if I'm not being clear. Nothing you have said has illustrated things being somehow favorable to girls. One group of individual doing better at something does not mean the thing is favorable towards the group.

The article is about girls outperforming relative to boys . In that context anything which penalises boys benefits girls, by definition. This is basic logic. I'm not sure what else can be said here, so let's leave it at that.

Your logic is incorrect, but yes, let's just leave it at that.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

> Also, most teachers are women.

Probably true for half a century now. And yet.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by standardUser »

esja wrote: post #169
omot wrote: post #119

The amount of insecurity in the thread is a little embarrassing gentlemen. Let's be open minded and entertain the possibility that women are indeed more capable and that societal constructs drag down their career opportunities.

Imagine reading that men perform better in their careers, and saying to women: "The amount of insecurity in the thread is a little embarrassing ladies. Let's be open minded and entertain the possibility that men are indeed more capable and that societal constructs drag down their educational opportunities."

To do so, you would first have to imagine a world where women were not an oppressed and disadvantaged group throughout all of history. Congrats to anyone who has such a vivid imagination.

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Post by wonnage »

esja wrote: post #169
omot wrote: post #119

The amount of insecurity in the thread is a little embarrassing gentlemen. Let's be open minded and entertain the possibility that women are indeed more capable and that societal constructs drag down their career opportunities.

Imagine reading that men perform better in their careers, and saying to women: "The amount of insecurity in the thread is a little embarrassing ladies. Let's be open minded and entertain the possibility that men are indeed more capable and that societal constructs drag down their educational opportunities."

This is not the smart comment you thought it was? Men do perform better, you don't have to imagine it. And it's clearly not because men are any more capable.
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