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Open source projects should run office hours

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Re: Open source projects should run office hours

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I helped a fella figure out how to imbue their GPT model with emotional awareness. That was one of the cooler ones, and we solved it in about an hour or so. The actual technique will take a month or so to execute, but the core idea is pretty much guaranteed to work.

Interesting! Are you able to share what you came up with? It seems like at minimum you could verify that the sentiment analysis for your generated text matches that of the input prompt. I've been working on getting GPT2 to write poetry and I've made a fair amount of progress by fine-tuning on a poetic corpus. Then during generation I constrain tokens that would break the style of the previously generated text. It has…

I might be able to, but I'll have to ask. Want to DM me on twitter, so that I can share it with you (if permission is given) without broadcasting it to the world? https://twitter.com/theshawwn

Re: Open source projects should run office hours

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Interesting! Are you able to share what you came up with? It seems like at minimum you could verify that the sentiment analysis for your generated text matches that of the input prompt. I've been working on getting GPT2 to write poetry and I've made a fair amount of progress by fine-tuning on a poetic corpus. Then during generation I constrain tokens that would break the style of the previously generated text. It has…

I might be able to, but I'll have to ask. Want to DM me on twitter, so that I can share it with you (if permission is given) without broadcasting it to the world? https://twitter.com/theshawwn

Sweet, thanks! DM is sent.

Re: Open source projects should run office hours

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post #191

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What happened to the HN rule of "interpret everything with the most positive interpretation possible", when this is the top voted comment ? It seems pretty obvious that the author doesn't intend to coerce anyone into doing anything.

Such office hours could have a price. Given how much consultants charge it wouldn't be unreasonable to charge $500/hour (being a maintainer comes with deep knowledge).

The article mentions that - he thinks of the 25 minute sessions as more about learning how people use the software, and increasing his ability to make something cool.

But he also points out it'd be an easy opportunity to up-sell some people on a consulting session if they want features he isn't as interested in developing :)

Re: Open source projects should run office hours

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post #191

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What happened to the HN rule of "interpret everything with the most positive interpretation possible", when this is the top voted comment ? It seems pretty obvious that the author doesn't intend to coerce anyone into doing anything.

>What happened to the HN rule of "interpret everything with the most positive interpretation possible", when this is the top voted comment ? What makes you think this comment is doing anything except providing positive feedback? >It seems pretty obvious that the author doesn't intend to coerce anyone into doing anything. Subtext is weird and dangerous. Using more accurate phrasing costs nothing and potentially averts…

> Using more accurate phrasing costs nothing

The author did actually rename it now that it suddenly has a much wider audience! It's now "Open source projects: consider running office hours"

Given that, I think we can safely assume his original audience (blog regulars) didn't mind the title. I realize accuracy is only a small effort, but it IS an effort. Why spend more time on it than is necessary for the audience?

Re: Open source projects should run office hours

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If you have the time to spare and the mental energy to talk to random strangers about their problems every Friday afternoon, good for you. But get right out of here with that “should” nonsense. OSS maintainers are already donating time and effort for the common good. You’d have to be a complete jerkwad to insist they need to do more.

RTFA

Re: Open source projects should run office hours

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I hate articles like this. Or maybe it's just the headlines but it follows a set formula: 1)Person X finds a way of doing something that works for them . 2)Person X writes an article either saying outright, or implying, that this is how it should be done for everyone About the only universal statement I've every found useful is the one that says "Universal statements should always be treated with skepticism".

Even before reading the article I took the ‘should’ in the headline as an encouragement rather than as a command.

Re: Open source projects should run office hours

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post #191

I have deep aversion to "Open source projects should run office hours" title. Maybe "Office hours may be a good idea for open source projects"? This would not suggest obligation. In general, fact that someone created or maintains or supports open source projects should not be considered to create any obligations beyond lack of malice and abuse. I am not obligated to support any bugs, create any features and it is per…

What happened to the HN rule of "interpret everything with the most positive interpretation possible", when this is the top voted comment ? It seems pretty obvious that the author doesn't intend to coerce anyone into doing anything.

Sorry for that.

I have forgotten about this guidelines. I will try to follow them better in future (ling is in footer and leads to https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ).

Though my comment was at least attempt to be "this title if taken alone is problematic, maybe changing it would better" not "you are awful person and your title was bad".

It is likely that I should be formulate it better and spend more time on making it (though I admit that I expected that it will be ignored rather than upvoted to the top comment...).

Re: Open source projects should run office hours

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post #186

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I think the problem here is that a lot of people (myself included) will understand the term "office hours" as being the typical time window that people work in the office - i.e. 8am to 5pm. This might be exacerbated with non-native english speakers which you'll see a lot around here. The new title you suggested doesn't fix anything (at least for me it doesn't). Maybe consider using more commonly known terms to refer…

I considered that point of confusion too, but I decided I'm OK with people who are unfamiliar with the term "office hours" needing to click through and read the article. I picked "consider running office hours" because hopefully the word "running" there is slightly less likely to imply "consider only working 9-5pm". I've added a note about the better German term "Sprechstunde" to both the article and my Calendly desc…

"Consultation hours" may be a less confusing term.

Re: Open source projects should run office hours

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post #191

I have deep aversion to "Open source projects should run office hours" title. Maybe "Office hours may be a good idea for open source projects"? This would not suggest obligation. In general, fact that someone created or maintains or supports open source projects should not be considered to create any obligations beyond lack of malice and abuse. I am not obligated to support any bugs, create any features and it is per…

What happened to the HN rule of "interpret everything with the most positive interpretation possible", when this is the top voted comment ? It seems pretty obvious that the author doesn't intend to coerce anyone into doing anything.

Isn't that about comments only?
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