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One hull crack located in ISS, another one suspected

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Re: One hull crack located in ISS, another one suspected

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Government spending "creating jobs" is a lot like a business plan where you pay people to buy your products, or a car that makes its own fuel.

Well, in the literal sense, the government can raise revenue via tax and employ people. So it's literally true... You might not like it, or it might be ill advised, or might believe that all taxation is theft, but it is what it is.

Money represents work, and the government is waisting billions of dollars of highly trained professional work hours on the SLS. This money could have been used in unaccountably more productive enterprises, but the incentive structures and feedback loops are so broken in government, it can't even build a rocket ship, in an era where every two bit backyard company is building their own.

The taxes raised to pay for SLS actually are screwing over the rocket industry because companies actually getting things accomplished have to compete for the highly trained engineers and scientists being wasted on SLS. There's no amount of "trickle down theory" that makes the SLS a net gain for society.

Re: One hull crack located in ISS, another one suspected

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Out of the curiosity, what is the radiator design?

rot13 because it's a bit of a spoiler (IMO half the fun of reading hard sci-fi is seeing the science and engineering being presented): Gur fuvc gur cebgntbavfgf geniry ba vf cebcryyrq ol INFVZE guehfgref, cbjrerq ol n ahpyrne ernpgbe ehaavat zbygra zrgny nf pbbynag. Gb enqvngr njnl tvtnjnggf bs gurezny cbjre, gurl rzcybl n enqvngbe gung vf rffragvnyyl n ynetr neenl bs 3Q cevagref. Gurer ner ornzf fbzr uhaqerqf bs zrg…

That sounds incredibly fragile, but I'm guessing most of the technology and infrastructure I depend on on a daily basis is also incredibly fragile.

Re: One hull crack located in ISS, another one suspected

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> That it is the Russian Zvevda module that is leaking/cracking is likely related to the fact that it is also the oldest module in the ISS. Definitely sounds like it. They can't identify the leak on the inside so it doesn't sound like a micrometeoroid impact and they suspect a second leak that is so small they need a microscope to verify: > "So far, we have found one place and suspect another, where as some kind of l…

It completes a cycle of heating and cooling every 90 minutes as it orbits. The temperature differential between sunlit/shaded is quite large, so even though it certainly does not heat to +120C / cool down to -100 C as there is just not enough time, it would still put some stress on it.

I was curious so I checked what temparature the sun exposed parts reached and what the shadow side reaches; 121c to -157c a temparature difference of over 278 degrees. Your remark was almost spot on.

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/a...

Re: One hull crack located in ISS, another one suspected

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Side note: there also exist more temperature-tolerant duct tapes.

I used some of this [0] in a last ditch effort to patch a small tear in a Miata canopy (rubber-coated canvas?). Everything else fell off. It's still happily holding, past 3x summers and winters.

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Re: One hull crack located in ISS, another one suspected

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No. Communism and planned economy are not capable of producing consumer goods. Source: I actually lived in the USSR.

Anecdotal evidence isn’t evidence. They’re capable, what they lack(ed) is the creativity to do so.

You mean my whole youth lived around Soviet-made goods is an 'anecdotal evidence'?

Well, perhaps I should have tried living in those fantasy Soviet Unions some people on the internet love so much. Those must have been magnificent states!

Re: One hull crack located in ISS, another one suspected

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There's still a lot of defense reasons to go to the moon. You can put much larger telescopes there, though you're back to windows of time you can look at a location but you can have good will and dedicate time to scientists. Though they might not want to reveal the resolution even though this can be roughly back tracked through size. There's also the weapons incentive even though that's illegal. But if you're able to…

All of what you said can better be done by machines and many such things are done by machines. The milestones that get people existed are when men reach places hitherto unreached, but there is no practical purpose to risking the life of a man who needs far more complicated facilities to survive, other than bragging rights. The I.S.S. was largely a political and not a scientific endeavor, and it's a shame it consumed…

> could have easily given mankind nuclear fusion

There's no proof of this because viable nuclear fusion has not yet been achieved. Humanity may never achieve this for all we know (though I sincerely hope we do).

Re: One hull crack located in ISS, another one suspected

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There has to be some revenue stream beyond just satellite launches and government research. Right now there's only so many reasons to go to space and a lot of those are pretty small markets or able to be served by one or very few provider(s) pretty well.

Sorry, what? The reason we have so many launch providers today is because space is extremely valuable. Even though you don't realize it there are hundreds of satellites above you head and you're connected to many of them. Telecommunicate (not just your phone), GPS, weather, etc. We wouldn't have the modern world without access to space. Things getting cheaper is causing a boom.

I'm largely talking about setting up a space industry that includes human spaceflight independent of government spending which is what you need for it to really take off because unless it's specifically designed to be impossible to kill like the SLS other missions get killed and messed with as each new admin or congress decides it's an easy place to make a mark.

There's a lot up there but it's still not that big and there's limited space for new arrivals. SpaceX largely exists because of the government contracts to launch to the ISS and for various NRO launches there's not enough public need for launches alone to sustain a rocket industry is what I mean. Especially for human launches, the only reason to have a human rated orbital capsule is to service the ISS.

Re: One hull crack located in ISS, another one suspected

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Suits can bring material in, and do. I forget if it was the "smell of space" or the "smell of the moon" they were talking about, but I remember reading that one astronaut described the odor as like that of burnt gunpowder, and that suitborne particulates proved to be the source.

I shudder to think what the inside of those space suits must smell like...

  > I shudder to think what the inside of those space
  > suits must smell like... 
Depends.

Re: One hull crack located in ISS, another one suspected

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There has to be some revenue stream beyond just satellite launches and government research. Right now there's only so many reasons to go to space and a lot of those are pretty small markets or able to be served by one or very few provider(s) pretty well.

low attenuation fiber optic cables? https://madeinspace.us/capabilities-and-technology/fiber-opt... (similar to, but not the same as, zero attenuation fiber optic from the fictional book Artemis by Andy Weir) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_(novel)

Maybe, but you'll need more than just one thing to really take off. Also terrestrial fiber seems plenty fast for most applications at the moment?
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