Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by krona » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:11 PM UTC

standardUser wrote: post #72

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

"If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's." Is Facebook failing to moderate, or failing at moderation? If the standard is perfect moderation, there is no social media. If the standard is a good faith efforts at moderation, Facebook should be tolerated (if not compelled to do better) and Parler should be punished (unl…

How many massacres and beheadings have been live streamed on FB at this point? And yet very few seem to think FB is the problem.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by fifthace » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:13 PM UTC

mikem170 wrote: post #206

standardUser wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's." Is Facebook failing to moderate, or failing at moderation? If the standard is perfect moderation, there is no social media. If the standard is a good faith efforts at moderation, Facebook should be tolerated (if not compelled to do better) and Parler should be punished (unl…

My two cents: Facebook has an algorithm they use to decide what posts are presented to a user. They should therefore loose their section 230 common carrier status. They are the ones deciding to put toxic and divisive information in front of users to drive engagement, instead of simply sharing posts in chronological order and letting users control all the filtering.

You've misunderstood Section 230 : https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200531/23325444617/hello...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by api » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:17 PM UTC

stretchcat wrote: post #78

It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.

Yeah "we need to break all encryption to catch people planning terrorism in Facebook groups, e-mail, and unencrypted SMS..."

Most terrorists are idiots because most people who are not idiots are not terrorists.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by dgellow » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:17 PM UTC

s__s wrote: post #240

alwaysdoit wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

When it happened, there was a reporter on CBC talking about how it was common knowledge in DC for a long time that there was a protest planned there. So indeed. The real question is why was there seemingly no preparation to handle it.

The protest was planned, that’s for sure. But here the context is the attack, not the protest.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by cogman10 » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:18 PM UTC

s__s wrote: post #240

alwaysdoit wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

When it happened, there was a reporter on CBC talking about how it was common knowledge in DC for a long time that there was a protest planned there. So indeed. The real question is why was there seemingly no preparation to handle it.

Yup, that's what really stinks about these protests. You could go to several social media sites and see the 6th plans.

It was incredible to see so few Capitol police guarding the capitol. Further, the fact that they didn't employ things like tear gas sooner was incredible. They just sort of let the rioters through the weak barriers they setup.

Security HAD to have known this was coming. This wasn't some secret plot. I knew this was coming just because I like to keep tabs on what the trump supporters are saying. It was all over the reddit knockoff (win).

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by whoknew1122 » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:18 PM UTC

alwaysdoit wrote: post #138

stretchcat wrote: post #78

It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

Far-right terrorism in the US has never really been taken seriously. No one took them seriously. Until the Capitol was attacked.

The Feds are starting to roll up high ranking militia members, so hopefully they learned their lesson this time.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by TheOtherHobbes » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:19 PM UTC

s__s wrote: post #240

alwaysdoit wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

When it happened, there was a reporter on CBC talking about how it was common knowledge in DC for a long time that there was a protest planned there. So indeed. The real question is why was there seemingly no preparation to handle it.

Compared to other DC protests, the absence of preparation was the preparation.

Clearly some of the Establishment wanted it to succeed.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by e40 » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:19 PM UTC

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #13

trident5000 wrote: post #4

Still in the app stores I see.

I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

A coworker has a lot of conservative friends. All of them were banned from FB until the 23rd. Even her daughter, who has never written any posts supporting DJT, but liked a few posts, was banned for the same time frame.

I've read absolutely nothing about this in the news. She even shared a screenshot one of her friends shared with her. It said:

"Your account is restricted right now.

You're temporarily restricted from doing things like posting or commenting on groups, Pages or events until January 23 at 3:19 AM.

Dismiss"

I take this to mean they are afraid of a 2nd around of problems.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by dmkolobov » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:22 PM UTC

alwaysdoit wrote: post #138

stretchcat wrote: post #78

It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

Who would have thought that the police would softball their response to a large group of armed right-wing racists. lol.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by root_axis » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:22 PM UTC

This has very little to do with technology. This is a culture war, and after the capitol riot the culture has shifted to openly reject the losing ideology. Conservatives are right to fight the threat of censorship because there's always a possibility this could slide out of control, but the rest of society is right to push back until they decide to drop the election fraud lies that are tearing this country apart.