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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by Acrobatic_Road »

ketamine__ wrote: post #198
crx07 wrote: post #128

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On one hand it feels completely appropriate and even deserved. On the other, yes, this is unfortunately a path to a very serious totalitarian issue. Situations like this one underscore the future importance of cryptocurrencies. Without an uncensorable currency, any political adversary -- especially an incumbent -- can just coerce payment processors into blocking payments to their opponents through threats of imprison…

Likely the cryptocurrency would still go through an intermediary like Coinbase. And of course Coinbase could terminate their account.

It's easy to donate cryptocurrency to other people. From there getting it into cash can be a problem, but I can think of a million ways of doing it. Privacy technology helps a lot.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by Tokkemon »

kuzimoto wrote: post #170
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #120

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> The mob has been coming for law enforcement and federal buildings in many major cities in America for nine months now They're "coming for" police reform and transparency. Please don't misrepresent or generalise very disparate groups of demonstrators.

So the ends justify the means? Only certain ideas are allowed for mobs to be okay?

The mobs were not comparable.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by refurb »

Tokkemon wrote: post #242
cblconfederate wrote: post #136

I m sorry but all this concerted action feels (from afar) a lot like "if people don't vote the way we want, we re just gonna have to force them". It's not about overreach, but companies are not political entities, and reversing this relationship is a self-defeating travesty And if they are doing it for cheap popularity points -- well trump may be gone in a week, but his voters won't leave. this just reinforces mistru…

Stop downplaying a literally terrorist attack on the nation's Capitol.

It's entertaining how the left was so critical of the use of the word "terrorist" when talking about the War on Terror, but then immediately started throwing it around when it politically expedient.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by flowside »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #244
ookblah wrote: post #35

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gab got de-platformed and the mob didn't come for anybody else...the world moved on. not everything is a slippery slope. tons of people criticizing it on twitter/fb and they aren't being censored.

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It's not a slippery slope because they're all saying the same things. The examples you listed are not a spectrum where it's leading to milder and milder forms of extremism.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by benmmurphy »

danhak wrote: post #89
eganist wrote: post #62

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> Would you be ok with Stripe stopping payment to the GOP? Has the GOP, specifically the GOP, advocated for the violent overthrow of the United States Government?

“Let’s have trial by combat!” -Rudy Giuliani, 1/6/2021

This quote is deeply misleading. It's not completely clear but I think Rudy is talking about Biden, Trump and himself staking their reputations on the outcome of a fraud investigation.

The transcript and the speech is available here: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rudy-giuliani-speech-tr...

Over the next 10 days, we get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of. But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. Let’s have trial by combat. I’m willing to stake my reputation, the President is willing to stake his reputation, on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there. Is Joe Biden willing to stake his reputation that there’s no crime there? No.

There is also a pause around the trial by combat comment that is not evident in the transcript so its probably worth listening to the speech to get the full context.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by gameswithgo »

sacks2k wrote: post #26

The people cheering this on will not be protected when the mob comes for you. We live in a digital age. If having the wrong opinion means you can get your bank accounts and all Internet presence removed from you, it's not any different than living under a fascist government.

please quit equating terrorism with “differing opinion”

trump caused his followers to believe the election was a lie, and when they came to protest he egged them on to the capital building where they beat a police officer to death with an american flag while singing the anthem.

they beat him to death with an american flag and trump called them patriots after.

beat him to death sir, these patriots, our president said. wearing nazi tshirts, sir.

differing opinions? maybe you can find a better way to communicate your idea here

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by Tokkemon »

chrissnell wrote: post #188
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The mob has been coming for law enforcement and federal buildings in many major cities in America for nine months now They're "coming for" police reform and transparency. Please don't misrepresent or generalise very disparate groups of demonstrators.

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Antifa's not an organized thing like you keep saying it is. The Proud Boys, on the other hand...

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by grzm »

pmiller2 wrote: post #251
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #95

There is a difference between bank accounts, Visa/MasterCard access and Internet service, on one hand, and App Stores, Twitter accounts and payment providers, on the other hand. The First Amendment promises both free speech and free assembly. Core to the latter is the freedom not to assemble. This freedom is regulated. You can’t refuse to do business with protected classes. But political affiliation is not a protecte…

If Visa is a "utility," why are we clutching pearls when Trump is banned by them, but not Pornhub?

There are plenty of comments on HN in opposition to Visa and MasterCard stopping to work with Pornhub. Volume might not be the same, but that's hardly surprising.

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25381920

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25379213

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by avianlyric »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #206
skzv wrote: post #140

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> But political affiliation is not a protected class. Classes that are protected now, were not protected at some point. I think the discussion revolves not around whether political affiliation is a protected class, but whether it should be, in a sense- whether what is going on is good or bad for society, not whether or not it is illegal. You are entitled to believe that it is good, of course.

> Classes that are protected now, were not protected at some point Creating protected classes significantly curtails neighbouring freedoms while increasing the government’s role in day to day interactions. One hallmark of existing protected classes is they are somewhat objective (counterfactual: race). Political affiliation is totally subjective. If someone believes in violent death for Blacks, Jews and gays, should…

> One hallmark of the existing protected classes is they are somewhat objective

Another hallmark is they tend to be mostly immutable, or unchangeable voluntarily. Society generally doesn’t accept that it’s reasonable for a person to change their gender, sexual orientation, race, age etc in order to participate in all facets of society.

I don’t think political affiliation meets that standard. Although I imagine that some might consider their political affiliation to be as core their identity as religion.

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