Well this is uncharted territory. No way to know what the results of all this will be.
Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler
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#262Are you a transexual?
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#263So if the argument is around lack of moderation, where can an E2E encryption service exist in the cloud? They’re literally unable to moderate in a meaningful way.
That sort of service can justifiably say "we're not aware of the infringing content". AWS indicates in their email quoted in the article that Parler is aware, but slow and/or unwilling to take action.
> This is further demonstrated by the fact that you still have not taken down much of the content that we’ve sent you.
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#264Why do these companies suddenly now care about enforcing the mantra of the integrity of the electoral system now, and not in 2016? Why do these companies suddenly now care about sites hosting content that encourages violent activity now, and not in June?
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#265Regardless of my/your thoughts on Parler, godspeed to those engineers. Assuming a majority of Parler infra is hosted on AWS, and it wasn't built to be multi-cloud, moving hosting providers in ~36 hours seems like a herculean task.
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#266The same folks who think you can't force a bakery to bake a gay cake want to force Apple to distribute an app or Twitter to publish anyone's nonsense. You can't have it both ways. For the self-proclaimed free-marketers, how is this different? It's about scale. We have an antitrust issue, not a free speech issue.
That bakery likely has a staff of two people and a dozen competitors offering equivalent services within a few miles.
On the other hand, the public square, itself, has been privatized into the hands of multi-billion-dollar corporations from whom there is no appeal.
Nobody actually needs a cake. But a head of state needs to talk to his citizens and his citizens need to hear him, even if we think he is a [insert epithet, here].
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#267Where do we draw the line on how we censor the internet? Obviously actual terrorist group sites can and should be taken down, but this feels like it's getting more murky than that. - Should we be okay with Facebook censoring these groups? - Should we be okay with Google censoring search results? - Should we be okay with Apple censoring apps? - Should we be okay with AWS censoring websites? - Should we be okay with Go…
It's a free market as well as a land of free speech, so they can just find another hosting provider, or build their own servers. They can enable whatever kind of groups they choose, but that should in no way require other people or organizations to collaborate with them.
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#268The short term calculus seems pretty clear: if a service is unable to moderate conversations that are inciting and planning imminent violence that undermines the fabric of democratic society (aka inauguration or the disruption of the transfer of power over the next 12 days), its better to shut it off than keep it around in case that violence comes to pass. Precautionary principle applies and a circuit breaker goes of…
So AWS is now the arbiter of what actions are supposedly harmful to the fabric of democratic society? It's one thing for the courts to do this, it's quite another for infrastructure providers to decide it's now their job to police their customers.
We rely on AWS, and now I'm thinking this is a giant mistake - what if they unilaterally decide one day that our business is politically unacceptable because a bad person says nice things about us?
The upshot is that this will provide a huge shot in the arm to the decentralized web... and, of course, once people who are plotting bad things all move to end-to-end encrypted platforms like Signal it will be that much more difficult to figure out who the bad people are.
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#269“Recently, we’ve seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms. It’s clear that Parler does not have an effective process to comply with the AWS terms of service,” the email reads. “[W]e cannot provide services to a customer that is unable to effectively identify and remove content that encourages or incites violence against others,” the email reads. “Because Parler c…
> If Amazon and Parker havnt commented, how can an email be quoted?
They haven't commented to Buzzfeed. C'mon.
> Is Amazon monitoring the content of all the services on its platform?
They take reports. https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/repor...
"The AWS Abuse team can assist you when AWS resources are used to engage in the following types of abusive behavior: Hosting objectionable or copyrighted content: You have evidence that AWS resources are used to host or distribute illegal content or distribute copyrighted content without the consent of the copyright holder."
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#270The US was one guy with a gun away from a massacre of a whole lot of elected officials. There was at one point only four leos[1] between a mob screaming for hangings[2] and all of congress because of the rhetoric sites like these are pushing. People defending them sound either entirely disingenuous or woefully ignorant.
1. https://mobile.twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1346913549898149...
2. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/01/06/trump-riot-tw...