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Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by apta_ »

afuchs wrote: post #207
artificialLimbs wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"These companies are not political entities" Every time I get on Twitter or Facebook, or my friends or family get on Twitter or Facebook, the sites are filled to overflowing with HEAVY liberal bias. They may not 'be' political entities, but they certainly swing hard in one direction.

> ... the sites are filled to overflowing with HEAVY liberal bias ... This very subjective and probably different person to person especially given AI driven filters and the ability to choose who to follow or friend on these sites. When I check one of the sites you mentioned, I see almost exclusively voices from the American right-wing. On the other one, it's significantly more moderate but with some opposing viewpoi…

Would you disagree that they're run by heavily liberal companies though?

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by apta_ »

web007 wrote: post #222
kristofferR wrote: post #137

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That's not an argument, I agree that Trump and terrorism is bad. That is not an argument for enacting policies in a collective fit of rage without thinking at all about long-term consequences.

Trump being deplatformed from Twitter is long, long overdue. They had to rewrite their content policies to give him a loophole a long time ago, since any normal person would be banned for what he said. They recently started having to add disclaimers, because even the loophole wasn't enough to counter his wrongness and influence.

Why don't they ban people like https://cdn.cnsnews.com/styles/article_big/s3/2021-01/Arthur...

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by [deleted] »

curiousllama wrote: post #219
kypro wrote: post #172

Remember when people said "it's only extremists like Alex Jones" and "white nationalists", yeah well now Twitter has banned the president of the United States. I'm not a supporter of Trump, but I'm yet to hear him explicitly incite violence. I know he encouraged the protest at the Capitol but I've yet to see evidence that he was hoping for it to turn violent? And if he did want that why did he speak out against it? H…

> I’m yet to hear him explicitly incite violence After a mob has killed a police officer, he said “we love you, you are patriots” ... half-hearted “go home” does not minimize a full throated “the election was stolen from us”. If people are rioting over X, and you say “wow, X is really bad!” - is that not encouragement? What, in your mind, is inciting violence? Iirc, he told supporters to punch protesters during the 2…

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Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by thr_120 »

pdevr wrote: post #138

Question not directly related to this event, but triggered by this: Has any of the countries around the world built a communication mechanism to directly reach its people without using any third-party platforms? Isn't this a must, in case external/foreign malicious actors forcibly take control of the major third-party platforms used in a country someday in future?

What I think more common is that head of the state is not a priori directly broadcasting through account on private page. What is quite common is public broadcaster.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by ethbr0 »

hmottestad wrote: post #252
ethbr0 wrote: post #142

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The 9/11 takeaway is that we should be especially skeptic of making large policy decisions and/or restricting civil liberties after an emotional event, because it's usually an overcorrection that goes unredressed for the next two decades.

Which means that if we choose to ignore the Trump aspect of the corona virus and compare the US to other countries you get the following: - no free healthcare means you initially had to pay to get tested - underdeveloped healthcare system (initial wave saw NYC overwhelmed) - lack of labor laws means that you have few rights: no sick days and can easily be fired with no grace period - polarized political environment m…

> no free healthcare means you initially had to pay to get tested

Varied from state to state, no?

> underdeveloped healthcare system (initial wave saw NYC overwhelmed)

New York City was not overwhelmed in the first wave, and had both Javits and the Mercy as unused spare capacity.

> lack of labor laws means that you have few rights: no sick days and can easily be fired with no grace period

Varied from employer to employer. For example, my employer at the time added Covid-quarantine-specific PTO, full PTO for high risk groups that felt uncomfortable, and bonuses for those who chose to work during the pandemic.

> polarized political environment means that government help takes a lot of time and has to be executed in mammoth size packages

This has always been true of the federal response. States can't typically defecit budget, by law, so the federal government typically allocates money for them in chunks.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by thr_120 »

save_ferris wrote: post #3

Most of the discussion seems to be centered around freedom of speech and enabling dissenting voices, no matter how violent, but I think we're missing the bigger picture here. This represents a vast check on presidential power that exists purely in the hands of these incredibly wealthy and powerful social media executives. I don't necessarily disagree with Twitter's decision given the events of the last few days, but…

There are lot of comments like: 'I do not support him but...'.

I'm not from the US so will use example from my country.

I do not mind if my prime minister was banned from Facebook even though I'm ok with him (didn't vote for him, but we have more than two parties).Facebook is just some private company for me. It is monopoly in a way and pain that most of my social circle is locked there. But for any public figure? There is public broadcaster. It already is not good that he is not using his PR team that much.

You have put too much power in to the hands of private companies. Public broadcaster can be (and often is) misused for propaganda of ruling government. But so can be private one (and often is). But at least there is stil this balance of public/private spaces.

But I know this is irrelevant in the USA which tries to implement some utopias (like free speech) but others are considered as immanentization of the eschaton.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

pqhwan wrote: post #213
ErikVandeWater wrote: post #170

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If the government uses their monetary ties, or forces a company with threats of legal (or executive) action to suppress free speech, I believe that is a violation of the 1st amendment.

Are you stating that as an unrelated hypothetical, or are you claiming that Trump forced Twitter to censor himself?

I am stating a general principal.

If Twitter made the decision based on government pressure, it would be because of influence by the upcoming administration. I have not seen evidence to this effect.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by pseudalopex »

Udik wrote: post #260
pseudalopex wrote: post #255

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Some took selfies. Some proclaimed themselves in control of Congress. Some entered the Senate chamber with weapons and handcuffs. The authors said a coup has 3 criteria. > 3) Do the plotters use illegal and unconstitutional methods to seize executive power? The authors said yes. > 2) Is the target of the insurrection the chief executive of the government? The authors said yes. > 1) Are the perpetrators agents of the…

> Do the plotters use illegal and unconstitutional methods to seize executive power? I have no clue why the author checks this. The rioters entered a building (which is by the way the seat of the legislative power) and that's it. Even if they had killed everyone inside, that wouldn't have put them an inch closer to seizing the power, as the power is simply not there. Power is alliances and a chain of command, not bei…

"Stop the steal" groups have imagined a coup for weeks. More than a few people stormed the Capitol. All coups need impressionables.

The insurrectionists thought most voters and at least 150 members of Congress supported them. The commander in chief egged them on. Coups have succeeded with weaker allies.

Some insurrectionists thought they could pressure enough members of Congress to block certification and send the election to the House. Some wanted Trump to declare martial law. Some openly welcome civil war.

Congress has executive functions too. Like counting electoral votes.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by krapp »

pseudalopex wrote: post #268
Udik wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do the plotters use illegal and unconstitutional methods to seize executive power? I have no clue why the author checks this. The rioters entered a building (which is by the way the seat of the legislative power) and that's it. Even if they had killed everyone inside, that wouldn't have put them an inch closer to seizing the power, as the power is simply not there. Power is alliances and a chain of command, not bei…

"Stop the steal" groups have imagined a coup for weeks. More than a few people stormed the Capitol. All coups need impressionables. The insurrectionists thought most voters and at least 150 members of Congress supported them. The commander in chief egged them on. Coups have succeeded with weaker allies. Some insurrectionists thought they could pressure enough members of Congress to block certification and send the el…

>"Stop the steal" groups have imagined a coup for weeks.

Those groups have imagined a coup for years. These are the same people who were rumbling about a cold civil war turning hot any moment now during the Obama years, quoting the revolutionary language of the Founding Fathers and strongly implying that something must be done about the leftist menace when they thought the Tea Party would actually follow through.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by zepto »

rvz wrote: post #259
zepto wrote: post #246

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This is complete bullshit. He’s been banned from a few social networks for terms of service violations. That’s all.

> This is complete bullshit. Given that people are already calling for Godaddy to suspend donaldjtrump.com, I will look forward to the day that it is kicked off of Godaddy just like when they kicked Daily Stormer off for 'inciting violence' [0] and Gab [1] for promoting and encouraging violence against people. > That’s all. You honestly think it will stop there? That is just the start of it all. [0] https://www.cnbc.…

“calling for Godaddy to suspend donaldjtrump.com”

People were ‘calling’ for Twitter to suspend Trump for years. People ‘calling’ for something means nothing.

You could be right though, but there are many ISPs. I’d never trust GoDaddy in the first place. I’m sure some are run by Trump supporters.

Private businesses get to do business with whoever they like.

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