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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
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#262The founder of Whatsapp (1) claims that Facebook promised Whatsapp would not be monetised, and that Facebook and and Whatsapp's data would not be combined. This information was also provided to European antitrust regulators (2) missed out on $850 stock option grants vesting by quitting early over disputes with Facebook about monetisation strategy (3) promoted #deletefacebook on Whatsapp following the Cambridge Anlaly…
(1) was claimed by the founder of Oculus too.
They are either naive or Facebook simply lies.
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#263What I don't get is this, there are real-life people working at these companies. What are the managers and developers at Facebook/Whatsapp thinking? Are there hi-fives in the hallways to celebrate the impending win? I have worked on many a project in my time, and I can't think of a single instance where we knowingly screwed over users or clients. Our teams' goals have always been to make the product better. What's go…
Semi-intentional compartmentalization could explain it.
Ads: we could increase revenue if we had access to WhatsApp data, but that's Product and Legal's call.
Product: Ads asked us to access WhatsApp data, but we're just facilitating between them and Legal.
Legal: Ads and Product asked us to change the policy to allow access to WhatsApp data.
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#264Couldn't the EU force them to standardize the protocol and to interoperate with other client/servers? With WhatsApp becoming the new defacto sms / mms it would make sense. Could they even reuse pieces of the legislation that made it happen for usb chargers?
You mean the signal protocol.
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#265As a privacy concerned European, there's only one viable alternative:
https://threema.ch/en/
It's open source and very secure: https://www.securemessagingapps.com/
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#266Do people still believe that Facebook doesn't collect data from the apps owned by them? Hell even the apps that is Facebook SDK send user data to Facebook even when you don't use facebook owned apps: https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-9941-how_facebook_tracks_you_on_...
They don't care
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#267I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
Yes, I've moved all my friends and family to Telegram and it's been great. I communicate with them daily since many months.
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#268So, the part below is new, or not new? And what is "user content" exactly? All messages, images and audio? _______ >WhatsApp, according to the App Store, reserves the right to collect: Purchases Financial information Location Contacts User content Identifiers Usage data and Diagnostics
Yes
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
#269I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
You should try it again now, Signal is very user friendly these days. I've moved most of my very non-tech-savvy family and friends onto it without too much drama.
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#270Anyone have any opinion why Wire didn't take of? E2E, good functionality (chat, group chat, video chat, voice chat, GIF images emojis yadda yadda yadda), multi-device, clients for all major platforms (eg for the iPad, unlike WhatsApp), open source, phone number or email as identifier, audited, Swiss/EU servers, no profiling, no ads... Can't find any downside, really - except that few people are on it.
Seems to cost around $5 per month according to their website. It's already a tough sell when getting someone to switch to another free chat app.
That's Wire Pro for teams, Wire Personal is free.