Traditionally this stuff has meant race to the bottom in terms of taxes and regulations. That is terrible. But if it instead helps wake up California to actually rezone, densify, remove prop 13, and improve social services, that could be quite good.
Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas
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Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas
#262HP and Oracle don’t exactly represent the heart of Silicon Valley today and what makes it special/unique. I actually think zombie corporations like Oracle, companies that haven’t innovated in decades and instead rely on an army of sales people to sell legacy software, are somewhat the antithesis of Silicon Valley which is really about real technological innovation and disruption at it’s core. I know there are lots of…
Yeah literally nothing about Oracle is useful or innovative. It’s like the WalMart of tech companies; just kind of exists and has rested on its laurels for a decade+.
Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas
#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
The 50 square miles of SF has perfect weather, if you're not put off by cold and clingy fog. The other 160,000 square miles is as much of a mixed bag as any other state (with the exception of Hawaii, which actually has perfect weather).
It depends on what you like to do outdoors I guess. I've lived in southern or northern california for almost 20 years and can pretty much run 365 days a year and bike almost that much. I HAVE run in snow storms in Illinois and North Carolina and heat waves in Houston and Austin, TX so my range of "comfort" is definitely a bit wider than the average person but in general the whole of California has near perfect weathe…
What you don't really have in general is seasons (except in the mountains). But otherwise, for whatever California's other faults, it's hard to complain too much about the weather if you can choose where you live.
Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas
#264HP and Oracle don’t exactly represent the heart of Silicon Valley today and what makes it special/unique. I actually think zombie corporations like Oracle, companies that haven’t innovated in decades and instead rely on an army of sales people to sell legacy software, are somewhat the antithesis of Silicon Valley which is really about real technological innovation and disruption at it’s core. I know there are lots of…
Tesla’s leaving? Good riddance to Musk.
HP and Oracle are leaving? Good riddance to zombie tech companies! Uber is leaving? Well they’re slave drivers anyway, good riddance.
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Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas
#265HP and Oracle don’t exactly represent the heart of Silicon Valley today and what makes it special/unique. I actually think zombie corporations like Oracle, companies that haven’t innovated in decades and instead rely on an army of sales people to sell legacy software, are somewhat the antithesis of Silicon Valley which is really about real technological innovation and disruption at it’s core. I know there are lots of…
A tech company, leaving the Bay Area? Don’t make me laugh! Tesla’s leaving? Good riddance to Musk. HP and Oracle are leaving? Good riddance to zombie tech companies! Uber is leaving? Well they’re slave drivers anyway, good riddance. ...
Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas
#266I wonder if the people fleeing California will end up voting for the same bad policies that are the reason they had to leave in the first place. That is, do they connect the bad policies to the bad outcomes, or will they still favor the bad policies? There is one major area for tech people where Texas may prove a nasty surprise to employees: non-compete agreements. For large employers this may be a bonus though as th…
Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas
#267This general topic seems to come back into focus on a regular basis on HN (last time, 1 week ago). People have been leaving SV in numbers for the 30 years I've been here, always citing traffic & cost of housing as the primary reasons. Though this time, you could add decriminalization of petty crime. Nonetheless, the population growth remains net positive. The fundamental design of the Internet was to be robust agains…
Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas
#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
High taxes are good because people will have less room to live? This doesn't sound like a good justification.
Most economists agree that a land value tax is economically the best kind of tax. Imagine property tax is 0. Why would anyone ever sell? All the land would effectively be owned by hereditary feudal lords. Texas has higher property taxes than California but more affordable housing. Makes you think.
You'd sell for the usual reason, i.e. you'd prefer having money rather than that particular piece of land? That money would be then spent on either consumption or an investment with higher yield than land-holding.
In my home country Poland the land tax is negligible and yet the market for land exists, it's not held forever by "feudal lords".
Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas
#269I wonder if the people fleeing California will end up voting for the same bad policies that are the reason they had to leave in the first place. That is, do they connect the bad policies to the bad outcomes, or will they still favor the bad policies? There is one major area for tech people where Texas may prove a nasty surprise to employees: non-compete agreements. For large employers this may be a bonus though as th…
Is there any evidence that the people moving are responsible for the bad policies? Something tells me the NIMBYs that bought their homes decades ago and pay $3.50 in annual property taxes aren't going anywhere.
The median property tax paid by homeowners in NY State -- a state with no "Prop 13" is $5,865 (according to facts I just googled).
What, exactly, am I getting away with? How will increasing property taxes in a state with the highest income and sales tax solve the housing crisis?
They need to build more housing, and more dense housing.
I live in CA about 8 months/year, and spend the Feb-May in Tel Aviv. We're actively looking to move our U.S. home to Nashville, TN.
Re: Silicon Valley exodus: Bay Area tech companies leaving for Texas
#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's because CA has perfect weather which is the one thing that is completely impossible to replicate anywhere else.
The 50 square miles of SF has perfect weather, if you're not put off by cold and clingy fog. The other 160,000 square miles is as much of a mixed bag as any other state (with the exception of Hawaii, which actually has perfect weather).
Hawaii gets 70 inches of rain per year, and LA gets 15. While there's no denying the natural beauty of Hawaii, saying that it has perfect weather is a matter of personal taste.
> The 50 square miles of SF has perfect weather, if you're not put off by cold and clingy fog.
What does this even mean? SF is 7 miles in diameter, and the various foggy microclimates don't reach far beyond the city's perimeter (and most of the time they don't even reach Potrero Hill). Describing this as a 50 mile perimeter would imply that Palo Alto has a lot of fog, which couldn't be more wrong.
The land between San Diego and SF in the N-S direction and the I5 and the ocean in the E-W direction has what most people would describe as the perfect climate, with just enough variation to suit individual styles. If you prefer a slightly higher temperature you go further south within that area, and otherwise a bit further north. And if you really like the chill air, you step over from San Mateo to Daly City.
We can argue about all sorts of issues that negatively affect California (eg: taxes), but the weather is clearly a huge upside to living there.