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Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Some people lament the decline of Silicon Vally companies like Tesla and Oracle moving out. I argue it could be a good thing. These giant enterprises are not really a pinnacle of entrepreneurship and innovation anymore. Let them move elsewhere and keep the Bay Area nurturing new entrepreneurs and startups. It is huge cubicle farms vs. garages and coworking places kind of distinction.

Tesla didn't move. Elon Musk moved, the company didn't.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Most towns won't do this because most of its existing tax base will hate it despite it being a good idea. And they vote!

I don't see what they have to lose. Their house and land might be worth more.

The sleepy town that they grew up in and love.

The Mom & Pop coffee shop and hardware store.

The ability for their children to live down the street, because they have been priced out of the market.

There are many things that change when your house and land are worth more money.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Some people lament the decline of Silicon Vally companies like Tesla and Oracle moving out. I argue it could be a good thing. These giant enterprises are not really a pinnacle of entrepreneurship and innovation anymore. Let them move elsewhere and keep the Bay Area nurturing new entrepreneurs and startups. It is huge cubicle farms vs. garages and coworking places kind of distinction.

Drawing experienced personnel from established firms has, as I understand it, long been a big driver for startups in the region. While some established firms leaving isn’t a problem, if it becomes too common, its a problem for entrepreneurship. OTOH, a few established firms with large campuses leaving also means a lot of space without the usual problems involved available for other established firms that get into lot…

Haven't heard of many startups founded by ex-Oracle employees (ex-Google, ex-Facebook is a different story). I doubt this will improve when Oracle moves.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Why is it so hard to realize that people want low taxes and light regulation? And that woke culture with it's free speech curtailment are a kind of 1984 environment where someone is watching your words constantly. California and NYC were great great states, and after decades of democrat governments, companies decide to move thousands of kilometers so they can leave these states in favor of Republican states. There's…

Still waiting for the great FAANG from Texas.

Indeed.com is not FAANG scale but appears to be a big player in the jobseeker market.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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post #80

Some people lament the decline of Silicon Vally companies like Tesla and Oracle moving out. I argue it could be a good thing. These giant enterprises are not really a pinnacle of entrepreneurship and innovation anymore. Let them move elsewhere and keep the Bay Area nurturing new entrepreneurs and startups. It is huge cubicle farms vs. garages and coworking places kind of distinction.

Another consideration is that non-competes are not valid in CA but are valid in TX. I believe moonlighting is also protected under CA but not TX law.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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"Californication" (yes, as referred to in the Red Hot Chili Peppers song) has been a thing for almost a century now. Oregon literally tried to ban immigrants from California back in the 1940s, and Coloradoans have a notorious saying from the 60s "Don't Californicate Colorado" (it used to be a pretty common bumper sticker) due to this effect. Go to Wyoming or Idaho and people feel the same way. California has unfortun…

"Go to Wyoming or Idaho and people feel the same way. California has unfortunately been exporting its ridiculous cost of living and lifestyle to the American west for decades, Austin is just the latest to feel it." It seems like that but the actual phenomenon is simply the slow, increasing urbanization of the United States. There are, of course, actual Californians moving into places like Austin and Bend and Colorado…

Meanwhile Minneapolis is handling their housing crisis much better than we are. They responded to rising housing prices by liberalizing their zoning code in the hopes of attracting more construction. Portland has done the same thing this year by legalizing the construction of multi-family dwellings on almost any parcel in town. This, of course, is also the secret to Houston's low cost of living.

California today is, for practical analytical purposes, a state with a fixed number of houses. This means we're currently operating in a regime where only the most successful and luckiest people can remain here. Unless we restart our housing production, this will continue.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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>I love biking/walking around the Oracle campus area because they made a bike path and the area is safer than it was before. That general area of the Town Lake trail was always my starting point for runs. My favorite “section” was definitely the trail on either side of the dam. I would park in the lot across the lake from the now Oracle campus and start most of my runs there. I ran thousands of miles with that as my…

I live downtown/East facing. It's a shit show now. All the good things like: - Small bars/businesses - Parks/Green areas - Free parking - Playgrounds are being deleted from the map one by one and they're being replaced with: - Hotels/Large apt. complexes - Huge buildings for big corp/large comp - Paid parking/parking lots - New age bars and posh restaurants - Homeless camps but it's safer to go out out at night at le…

Which park or playground is gone?

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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I live in Austin, Oracle has a huge campus here that looks as big as an airport building with terminals/gates and all the trimmings. It's a beautiful building that gentrified the whole area, for better or worse. I ate there a couple of times, it's nice inside too! I love biking/walking around the Oracle campus area because they made a bike path and the area is safer than it was before. That being said, I know a coupl…

Oracle Redwood Shores (Old HQ) is one of the most beautiful campus of tech company in Silicon Valle with trails etc and a lake where the America's Cup winning Catamaran is parked. Wonder if they will move that to Austin as well.

I agree, beautiful campus. Fun fact: the buildings were designed to resemble the symbol for databases in logical diagrams.

https://images.app.goo.gl/ybduLEGuAFxeGaL88

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Do you mean number of private workspaces that are called an “office” in a building affects how taxes are calculated? So reconfiguring the floors in a corporate building might affect how they file taxes? I’ve never heard of that before...

Yes. And it can be impacted at a municipality level, as well as a state or county level too. So the city of Seattle might have a different way they tax these things than the city of Redmond, in addition to whatever taxes are levied by King County or Washington State. ETA: there are very real reasons big companies have reconfigured workspaces and it isn’t about worker efficiency studies or even fitting more people int…

This isn't true. The move to the open office was NOT because of a city tax on the number of private offices. For this to be remotely true someone would need to audit each building / floor.

Could you point to a government website with additional information?

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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The term "bidding war" doesn't typically apply to initial offers.

The concept of bidding war includes having to pay more than someone else to obtain something. If a market is so hot that the seller has no reason to even wait for competing offers, then the initial offer has to be high enough to make it worth their while. The initial is your bid, and because you predict other buyers will be able to satisfy the seller's demands, you bid defensively by bidding extra.

A single shot isn't a war.
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