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Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by CodeGlitch »

kylebenzle wrote: post #80
nvahalik wrote: post #59

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Edit: before you downvote, these are reasons I’ve read/heard. They do not represent my own views. 1. This is an mRNA vaccine and is the first of it's kind to be widely offered. This appears to be different than the rest of the vaccines out there for other illnesses. 2. There isn't a perceived benefit for many people: the vast majority of people won't get sick or be impacted in any way. 3. It apparently doesn't stop p…

People keep forgetting that the vast majority of people under 45 that get in never have any idea that even had it and over 97% of deaths are people over 45.

Who the hell do you think looks after the old and vulnerable? Mostly the under 45s! Therefore the under 45s should really be making sure they don't get it.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by bird_monster »

Barrin92 wrote: post #139
_5yoy wrote: post #96

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Not sure why you would think a vaccine being managed by the government will be rolled out in a sane and consistent manner? edit As was correctly pointed out, I should mention I'm speaking purely about the US and not any other country.

because believe it or not some people live in countries where the government manages to do just that.

Sorry, you're right, I'm speaking about my country explicitly.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by natechols »

thelean12 wrote: post #229
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #199

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I have already watched wealthy people in Germany and France and China skip the queue.

Skip the queue for what? Did they get the vaccine already before it was approved? This is likely complete misinformation. Why is there so much misinformation on HN today?

Or alternately, what the GP is really telling us is that the rich and powerful are easily duped into spending their money on placebos.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by Kliment »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #204
viraptor wrote: post #202

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Vaccines go through phase 3 testing which is about efficacy. (And some other properties) What do you think is missing from them?

None of them intentionally give the live virus to their subjects.

Challenge studies get performed on non-human (animal) test subjects (this was done for the Biontech/Pfizer vaccine), and there's a volunteer human challenge study planned in the UK for January. A challenge study is one where you intentionally give a live virus to your subjects.

Arguably, releasing your subjects into an environment full of live virus, such as the United States, is a kind of challenge study, which rapidly delivers efficacy data. This is why approval could happen so much faster than usual for these vaccines.

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Post by mlyle »

nvahalik wrote: post #101
zwily wrote: post #70

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Regarding point 3 - isn’t it just that they haven’t studied that yet? The trials for the mRNA vaccines did not test for asymptomatic carriers, so they don’t know if it prevents transmission.

Not sure about the testing, but as someone else pointed out to me, if you touch someone with dirty gloves, dirt will rub off. I am not sure if asymptomatic transmission has been confirmed or not. I kept hearing that if you didn't have symptoms then you couldn't transfer it, but given the uptick in cases, it wouldn't seem like that is the case.

> I am not sure if asymptomatic transmission has been confirmed or not.

It's been confirmed, from early experience e.g. with the Diamond Princess and USS Theodore Roosevelt. It seems to be rare.

But paucisymptomatic transmission -- transmission before symptoms have manifested in people who will eventually be symptomatic -- is much less rare. So just quarantining people with symptoms doesn't work.

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Post by h3cate »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #207
_5yoy wrote: post #96

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Not sure why you would think a vaccine being managed by the government will be rolled out in a sane and consistent manner? edit As was correctly pointed out, I should mention I'm speaking purely about the US and not any other country.

In the UK this is being managed by the NHS (someone correct me if this is incorrect). They do this every year for managing the Flu Virus.

In the UK I don't think anybody has a clue what anybody else is doing :')

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by _5yoy »

ayroblu wrote: post #168
_5yoy wrote: post #127

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I will take it after a year or two. The US did a great job at politicizing the virus such that I don't really trust that pharma companies actually did their due diligence with regard to testing and safety measures. I accept that doctors and scientists will take it under the guise of them "knowing it's safe", and I accept that lots of people will say "If they're doing it, you should too", but I think this strategy jus…

These things aren't cut and dry, but probably what you mean is that without the vaccine you're increasing the possibility of passing the disease on to at risk groups.

Not sure why you're telling me what I mean?

At risk populations have the same choices I have. I will choose to wait because I am not at risk. The risk level is obviously a factor that should play a part in making an individual's choice.

Now, for the people that _cannot_ get the vaccine for whatever reason, ultimately my decision is definitely more selfish, in that I am taking precautions in favor of my own safety as opposed to theirs. I guess I don't think this is unreasonable though?

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Post by innomatics »

bognition wrote: post #12

I'm surprised to see such a high percentage of "NO" responses. I'm genuinely curious to understand why

From a community perspective, no, because AFAIK no vaccine confers sterilising immunity, so my being vaccinated isn't likely to help reduce transmission. I will be very happy to see human studies that prove otherwise. It's be shown that AZD1222-vaccinated macaques still spread virus, with upper respiratory viral loads the same as controls.

From a personal perspective, no, because my age-based health risk, and my local community transmission rates approach zero, so vaccination has negligible upside at this point in time and space for me.

I might see data that could change either perspective and my willingness to be vaccinated. Also if I need to travel internationally I may be willing or forced to do so.

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