YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by mahkoh » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #200

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

It's a private company. If you don't like their slant, use another private company. I swear, it's like people have never had to cancel a newspaper subscription before.

Any attempt at making a youtube competitor for these reasons will get you banned by paypal and patreon. Any attempt at replacing paypal and patreon them will get you banned by visa and mastercard. Basically you have to start from first principles and create a new global banking system first.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by Fargren » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

In Germany displays of Nazi symbols are forbidden, as well as any political expression that incites violence against a specific race or religion. I can readily believe than in an alternative reality where they were not forbidden, the Nazi movement would be alive and well (not that there is absolutely no Nazis in Germany, but I bet there would be many more, and in power, were it not for suppression and censorship)

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by sleepysysadmin » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

rat87 wrote: post #77

sleepysysadmin wrote: post #37

>Connecting people to authoritative information Top channels from picture. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com ABC: Left of Center NBC: Left of Center USA today: Left of Center CNN: Left CBS: Left of Center The "Authoritative Sources" are all Left-wing news agencies. So in other words they have done like Wikipedia. They have determined that Left of Center is authoritative and have limited the reach of alternative viewpoin…

WSJ minus the editorial pages is pretty good Who's fault is it that the conserative movement has become more and more detached from facts?

>Who's fault is it that the conserative movement has become more and more detached from facts?

This is a very interesting subject. I read an article like: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/26/opinion/republican-disinf...

The interesting thing is that the assertion is that the right-wing have been detached from reality. An epistemological crisis wherein the the blame is on the internet. Thus we have situation where Internet entities like Youtube and Twitter are actively censoring right-wing views. While allowing left-wing misinformation.

So the way forward to fixing wrong-think is to deprive people of viewpoints? This doesn't seem quite right.

What's also quite interesting, it's the left-wing who are at odds. The median democrat has moved left and has created a political divide.

Makes me wonder if perhaps it's not the rightwing who became detached from reality.

If the left-wing are the ones detached. Then their need to censor other viewpoints to maintain their bubble makes complete sense.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by gowld » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

zionic wrote: post #157

bradenb wrote: post #105

Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

This plays exactly into their narrative. "If they didn't steal it, they wouldn't have to work so hard to cover it up!" Megacorps should never become arbiters of truth.

Facts haven't influenced their narrative one bit. The "overturn the election" effort is about 1-51 in the courts, across states, Federal levels, and partisanship of judges.

There's a point where enough is enough, and a blatantly dishonest treasonous war on the very fabric of the government is over the line.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by pkulak » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

Google can either do this or fix the American public school system and wait a couple decades. One seems easier than the other.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

nacho2sweet wrote: post #241

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

Why should their algorithm amplify every message? You can go roll your own hosting and host your own video and send the link to whoever you want.

Precisely. Youtube is a hosting service first and foremost but increasingly it is used as the propaganda arm of some of the most despicable entities in politics who are aiming for the audience, not the hosting as their main reason for dumping content there. They are freeriding on the youtube brand and do incalculable damage to some very precious concepts and societal structures.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by MrRiddle » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

throwaway894345 wrote: post #103

PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

I'm pretty anti-censorship; specifically I believe that sunshine/debate is the best disinfectant. However, we aren't having a healthy debate right now because the election fraud conspiratorialists are shouting their message without regard for the rebuttals. I think there's something to be said for bringing the volume down to manageable levels so that we can actually have a debate. That said, I'm not remotely convince…

So in your case “pretty anti-censorship” means censoring what you don’t agree with is fine?

“election fraud conspiratorialists” seem to have a case in court. It’s up to Supreme Court to decide whether something is true or not, not youtube.

About them being loud, how can they be “loud” when none of the media is representing their case?

This act of censorship is showcasing very grim future where absolute minority gets to decide what tune whole generations are playing to.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by tyingq » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:48 PM UTC

It's interesting to me that YouTube doesn't have any credible broad competitor. The only real competition is very small subsets of what YouTube does, things like Twitch and Vimeo. Is it just that YouTube gets the high-end Google network/bandwidth at rock bottom cost?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:48 PM UTC

watertowine wrote: post #240

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

This is directly in line with the future as prophetically described in Fahrenheit 451.

You should re-read that book, you haven't understood it at all.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by ihsw » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 6:48 PM UTC

muttantt wrote: post #176

This is ridiculous. Regardless of your politics, this is just going the wrong direction. Where was this policy when the other side was pushing the Russia collusion narrative for years?

Get out of here with your facts and analysis, pleb. Didn't you know, orange man bad?

...or are you a Russian bot too??