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Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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The other thing that makes M1 interesting is it's ARM with specific hardware support for fast x86 emulation, which IMO is unlikely to be replicated in a top of the line laptop for the next 5 years.

x86 emulation is not an issue for 99% of the ARM market. I think it's safe to assume M1 is the first Apple chip that has it.

A12Z has it.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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The main reason to run hackintosh as far as I know is to write software for macOS or iOS. Apple won’t encourage corporations to build hackintoshes but as long as it isn’t too easy to install macOS anywhere I don’t see how — on net — it hurts apple.

> The main reason to run hackintosh as far as I know is to write software for macOS or iOS. I suspect a lot of Hackintoshes users do so because they like using macOS day-to-day, but don't see anything appealing in Apple's hardware lineup. I'm one of them.

What makes MacOS good?

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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No, I wouldn't, not even if I could print billions in a snap. I'd rather help funding the port to a 10 times slower but open platform, rather to a technically superior but proprietary close one whose owner would make it incompatible two seconds after they would smell competition from Linux in any of their core business fields. No thanks, I'll send my small quid to whomever appears to be really in favor of openness, n…

No.No.no.no.no.no.no.no.

A million thousand times no.

As some one else said, every spare dollar I have is going to fund a company that values open source hardware, open source software, right to repair and own.

A company that doesn't purposefully force manufactured obsolescence as a business model, privacy intrusions, lip service to OSS, bullying right to repair in courts, tax evasions doesn't deserve any free work from the skilled people in the community. All of this, just so that they can make more billions when people around the world are suffering just to give their restrictive supply chain their blood, lives and tears.

You know why open source hardware is expensive for lower quality? Because Apple pays the premium on the premium quality stuff. But I'm that process they also drive up the prices.

Hardware manufacturers want the Apple cash, so they wait for the Apple contract and when they get that, any other contracts that you might have will get delayed and sidelined with lower quality stuff. Essentially, a monopoly in the supply chain

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Self-signed applications are treated as if they're radioactive by macOS, too[1]. [1] https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/unsigned.html

Yes. My point is that blocking truly unsigned applications on Apple Silicon is not a substantive change from the status quo on Intel Macs.

Programs on Intel Macs can do some funny things to invalidate their code signature in was that Apple silicon won’t support, which I guess you could call a change. But I agree that the transition was probably mostly made for simplicity.

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Reminds me of that Bill Gates quote from 1998: > Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade. I am sur…

Did they ever start getting license revenue from China? I've had a few recent interactions with Chinese businesses that suggest piracy is still rampant and shameless.

They're probably still better off than if they clamped down on piracy and China decided to develop a competitor to Windows and switched to that

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Most of the solutions in this thread are simply not viable. Stuff like the Pinebook and Raspberry Pi are several magnitudes away from Apple's M1 SoC. No amount of hackerish imitation will bridge that gap, the laws of physics are not kind to consumer product hardware hackers. It is very obvious that most of the people commenting here has never held a soldering iron, nor taken a single computer architecture class. The…

> This is the Sputnik moment for open source Does it need to be? x86 had every opportunity to become a locked-down, exclusive standard too, and it grew the way it did, into a cross-vendor standard, for a reason. Why will a similar trajectory not apply to the M1?

The history of the x86 instruction set is very complicated and involves a number of lawsuits and settlements. What you see today is the fruit decades of fighting and wrangling.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Wait, did Apple actually add an option for unsigned boot on M1? I remember their WWDC overview saying they were only going to have either iPhone-style latest-version-only or any-version options, and them later saying they'd only be supporting virtualization. If they have an owner override for the secure boot on M1, then that's absolutely fantastic, and I suppose puts more support around Apple's assertions that Micros…

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10686/?time... Reduced security allows you to run any version of macOS, including the versions that are no longer signed by Apple.

You can go lower than that; this is the “medium” security setting.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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No, because it is already a unix OS. I imagine this is unpopular in HN, but what matters to me is just running on a good solid unix. I don't really care if it is a unix or Linux. What I want is shell scripting, pipes, forks, make, python, awk, grep, find, du, df, etc... Most anything that doesn't come pre-installed can be built from source. This wasn't true in the early days of OS X, but now the only things I find th…

Agree completely. My OSX environment fully mirrors various Linux deployment environments I run well enough to test any kind of shell scripting or crontabs or anything else I need to test locally before deploying them. Also, Parallels and VMWare both say they'll release M1 compatible virtual machines soon should you need a specific release to test on. I don't see the point of shelling out for Apple hardware if you just want to run a Linux distribution as your main OS. I'm more bothered by the current inability to boot into Windows.

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Yeah heat and battery life are non issues. The iPhone is a good example because supposedly it's the fastest, but it doesn't feel like it. Maybe it's the animations, maybe it's the annoying Apple popups to sign in and update. Whatever the case, it doesn't make for a great device. (My experience is from 2018)

> The iPhone is a good example because supposedly it's the fastest, but it doesn't feel like it. Maybe it's the animations, maybe it's the annoying Apple popups to sign in and update. Whatever the case, it doesn't make for a great device. So, I take it you can see why the ability to use Apple's fast processors with a non-Apple OS might be appealing!

Hmm. I have considered that as well in the past.

Although I'd be a bit skeptical that Apple would allow this (as others talk about).

It seems extremely high risk, high cost, for an unnoticeable reward that will be obsolete in a year.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Lol they highlighted running Linux in the first announcement of the ISA switch , they see no threat in Linux at all. Their business model would need to change dramatically for that to happen. They’re a hardware company that makes the hardware more attractive with software, service and device integration. Their software restrictions are part of the value proposition, but anyone fully ejecting from that would be on the…

They were a hardware company, but are moving into services for continued growth, which puts them at odds with an open platform. The business model is changing. https://www.statista.com/statistics/382136/quarterly-segment... You can see services revenue is up to 14 billion compared to iPhone's 26 billion.

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