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Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by klmadfejno »

jackfrodo wrote: post #232
singemonkey wrote: post #168

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Please cite the lengthy list of institutions that have failed us all.

Uhh, points at 2020 The CDC advising people to not buy masks in February because "they don't work" comes to mind. The US Gov in general completely letting businesses and individuals plunge into bankruptcy. I think a lot of people have been awakened to the fact that "the system" is pretty ambivalent to their personal well-being.

Government is incompetent therefore private pharma company vaccines aren't safe. Got it.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by dgritsko »

bluGill wrote: post #154
jdndbfbf wrote: post #140

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I'll let you test it for me and find out what the long term effects are.

I'll take my chances. My sister-in-law is dead. A brother-in-law is still unsure if we can talk across a room without fainting (6 months ago he was running several miles a day). This is just in my tiny circle of close family. Thousands in a much larger sample of had the vaccine with no side effects anywhere near that bad.

I'm deeply sorry for your loss. It's discouraging to me to see people respond so dismissively to something so tragic when it has yet to affect them personally.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by tzs »

floatingatoll wrote: post #220
abfan1127 wrote: post #215

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how can the long term consequences of the vaccine be better understood than the virus? The vaccine is younger than the virus, and orders of magnitude of more people have had the virus.

mRNA vaccines were understood and studied prior to Covid. Covid infections (still) are not understood.

Are there any prior mRNA vaccines that have been approved for human use? Wikipedia (currently...) says this and the Moderna ones would be the first.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by credit_guy »

gvv wrote: post #29

Well just like I don't immediately update to the latest OS I think I'll wait for the beta testing to happen :)

Don't worry to much, you will not be able to get your hands on a vaccine for quite a while even if you wanted it. By the time this will be available for regular people like you and me, millions of frontline healthcare workers and emergency personnel will have gotten it.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by dgritsko »

aphextron wrote: post #214
sekai wrote: post #103

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Few key facts: • In the entire history of vaccines, only one has been recalled because the vaccine itself caused long term side effects (a rotavirus vaccine that had rare complications and no deaths for those under 1yr). If you can't find any papers about it, that's why. It's like finding a paper on death by lava lamp explosions. It's happened ( https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-dec-01-na-brief... .), but…

>You can read the list of recalled vaccines and why they were recalled straight from the FDA ( https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history ....). To be fair, it's really hard to compare this to anything that has existed before. mRNA vaccines are a whole new class of drugs that have never been approved for human use. This will be a world first when Pfizer gets the EUA next month.

What does "EUA" stand for?

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by jackfrodo »

klmadfejno wrote: post #261
jackfrodo wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhh, points at 2020 The CDC advising people to not buy masks in February because "they don't work" comes to mind. The US Gov in general completely letting businesses and individuals plunge into bankruptcy. I think a lot of people have been awakened to the fact that "the system" is pretty ambivalent to their personal well-being.

Government is incompetent therefore private pharma company vaccines aren't safe. Got it.

I know you're being facetious but unironically yes.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by dicomdan »

bzb6 wrote: post #62
grezql wrote: post #59

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"yes you can sell here, we only need to know the ingredients and know-how of this vaccine to approve its safety"

Isn’t it like that in the rest of the world?

Not really, China is notorious for IP infringements.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by vonmoltke »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #196
jdndbfbf wrote: post #169

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n=1 is irrelevant I don't care about one persons experiences.

What about 35% of respondents in n=292 ( https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm... )? "Interviews were conducted 14–21 days after the test date. [...] Among 292 respondents, 94% (274) reported experiencing one or more symptoms at the time of testing; 35% of these symptomatic respondents reported not having returned to their usual state of health by the date of the interview (median = 16 days fro…

To be fair, GGP said six months (~180 days). That 35% is by 21 days, so not comparable at all. It is concerning, though, and I hope some of these observational studies are continuing to follow the people still experiencing symptoms for longer periods of time.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by detaro »

dgritsko wrote: post #265
aphextron wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You can read the list of recalled vaccines and why they were recalled straight from the FDA ( https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history ....). To be fair, it's really hard to compare this to anything that has existed before. mRNA vaccines are a whole new class of drugs that have never been approved for human use. This will be a world first when Pfizer gets the EUA next month.

What does "EUA" stand for?

Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by strombofulous »

unnouinceput wrote: post #117
strombofulous wrote: post #48

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I hope so. I would be upset if I got the vaccine and people who didn't have it were allowed to work near me, but I would just keep WFH. I would be outraged if I were forced to work with them

Why would you be upset for? It's their life, not yours. Once you get vaccinated, ideally, you get immune to the virus. You neither can develop the disease nor spread it. It's the same as saying you don't want to work with people who didn't got vaccinated by any other number of vaccines (let you search wiki for full list as exercise) and I'm pretty sure it already happened.

Because I don't want to be around people with a disease that's serious enough to shut down our society, if I am only 95% resistant to it
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