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Re: 1MB Club

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Post by corobo »

CarelessExpert wrote: post #228
yellowapple wrote: post #92

I love it! I feel like the 1MB limit is excessively generous, especially for text-only pages. But maybe that's what makes it so damning when pages fail to adhere to it. I know at least one website I maintain fails it spectacularly (though in my defense it's entirely because of that website being chock-full of photos, and full-res ones at that; pages without those are well under that 1MB mark), while other sites I've…

> I feel like the 1MB limit is excessively generous, especially for text-only pages. No kidding. I just checked and the average text-only page on my blog well under 100kb. Even the image-heavy front page is under 1MB...

I was pleasantly surprised to find the same!

Even the page where I used images came in at juuuust about the limit -- to the point where you'd have to make a ruling of whether the rest of the page gzipped counted because over the wire was technically <1MB but it was just above after decompress. The site does specifically say "downloaded", haha

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by gitgud »

chacha2 wrote: post #220
gitgud wrote: post #216

I guess the leader is missing "packet.city" an entire website in a single TCP packet weighing in at 1.2kb Site: http://packet.city/ Source: https://github.com/diracdeltas/FastestWebsiteEver

Takes the same 1 second to load that every website takes.

Yeah agree, I only mentioned it facetiously to make fun of the idea of a list ranked by download size.

CDN's, network speed, server load, page render time, all have a greater effect than the fractions of kilobytes that differentiate these sites...

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by franciscop »

Congrats on the launch! I've been wanting to do this forever, in fact still own 100kb.org which sits there unused in my cemetery of domains (working on other stuff!). As others say 1MB feels too generous.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by mcdevilkiller »

seanwilson wrote: post #233

Here's my example of a non-trivial product landing page weighing in at 0.3MB transferred: https://www.checkbot.io/ Includes analytics, chat client, big product screenshot, theming and payment integration, so you can still do a lot well within 1MB.

It's really really good, congrats!

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by Bud »

ffpip wrote: post #65
susam wrote: post #50

How accurate is this list? I see it mentions that visiting https://danluu.com/ downloads only 9.1 kB but when I actually visit this website with Google Chrome, in the Developer Tools' Network tab, I see that a total of 21.7 kB is transferred. Name Status Type Size ------------ ------ -------- -------- danluu.com 200 document 2.5 kB analytics.js 200 script 18.9 kB collect 200 xhr 67 B favicon.ico 404 text/html 266 B S…

Are you not using an ad blocker? danluu.com has google-analytics, which is a very large script. Please use uBlock Origin.

Ad blockers already don't work. They're largely useless. If you use one these days, you already know why.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by Khaine »

userbinator wrote: post #152
bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

To be frank, that's probably because you're not listening. YouTube redesign, Twitter redesign, and one other huge site I can't remember at the moment all had plenty of complaints about how much slower --- and less featured --- they were. The average user doesn't know a static page has been replaced with a bloated SPA, but can sure feel the difference. The web has declined for sure, and it's precisely because of ignor…

Twitter's web version is an abomination. Every time you click on a link to read a tweet, you get an error. Every time. You need to force a refresh to get the content. Its an absolute joke.

To any twitter "engineers" on HN, sort it or abort it.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by from »

SulfurHexaFluri wrote: post #212
Aeolun wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all due respect. Modern news websites are a disease, and I find it pretty hard to disagree with the nomer cancerous growth since the behavior is spreading, and normalized by these websites. There is zero benefit to me in loading 20mb of garbage just so I can read 10kb of text.

Yes news sites are the worst of the bunch but then we get people complaining about full web apps using JS when there is no real alternative.

The problem is that sites that really had no business being "web apps" have turned into these monstrosities. The new Reddit and Youtube are great examples of this. The old versions worked just fine, but for some reason they were replaced with all Javascript versions that perform much worse.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by justiceforsaas »

Guys, add a search box where people can enter their site & see "if they quality". If they don't, and enter their site again (and are <1MB), maybe you can add them in a "Recent improvers" list. I think this will motivate even more websites to participate.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by userbinator »

Khaine wrote: post #266
userbinator wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be frank, that's probably because you're not listening. YouTube redesign, Twitter redesign, and one other huge site I can't remember at the moment all had plenty of complaints about how much slower --- and less featured --- they were. The average user doesn't know a static page has been replaced with a bloated SPA, but can sure feel the difference. The web has declined for sure, and it's precisely because of ignor…

Twitter's web version is an abomination. Every time you click on a link to read a tweet, you get an error. Every time. You need to force a refresh to get the content. Its an absolute joke. To any twitter "engineers" on HN, sort it or abort it.

What's even worse is that the much better static-page "mobile" version which I've been using (mobile.twitter.com), and you can only get to it if you set your UA to an older browser, now has this ominous "warning": "This is the legacy version of twitter.com. We will be shutting it down on 15 December 2020."

It's deeply disturbing that if they go full-SPA like YouTube did, it seems not a single person working there realises the insanity of somehow needing so much software (and hardware) just to read 140-character long microblogposts, something that would've been possible with hardware and software from 30 years ago. If you look at their minimum browser requirements, then look at the minimum OS requirements from the browser, and go back to hardware requirements from that, you'll probably end up with something that seems ridiculously overpowered for the task, yet with that "minimum supported" system the site will still be slow as molasses and worse than the static page. Seriously, what the fuck!?

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by bnchrch »

geodel wrote: post #66
bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

If general public even knew who to complain they would have surely yelled loudly. For now I hear non-tech people say 'Oh, our internet is slow even though we pay lot of money' Meanwhile valley bros keep helpfully reminding me to upgrade my computer to a reasonable 2020sh.

I simply disagree that this relates to bundle size. When people (I know) complain about slow internet it's typically in relation to high bandwidth streaming (Netflix, Youtube, etc...)

This is said by someone who is not a "valley bro" and often lives in rural Canada.

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