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Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by uhtred »

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uhtred wrote: post #134

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I wish more people would give plant based "meat" a try. Some of the sausages and burgers available are mind blowing.

I’ve tried a wide variety of plant based “meat”. I’ve also tried a wide variety of meat. Some of the plant based “meat” is surprisingly good, but “mind blowing” is going way too far, and setting up unrealistic expectations that will end up being detrimental to the goal of getting more people to reduce or eliminate meat.

It's subjective, but I personally find it mind blowing how similar Impossible Burgers or Beyond Sausage are to the real thing. I also find it mind blowing that I can create a vegan version of a British classic ;) sausage, chips, and beans and not be able to tell the difference from the real thing :)

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by _Microft »

mercer wrote: post #245
_Microft wrote: post #36

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I don't know why but it seems that in minks SARS-Cov-2 mutates a lot more frequently than it does in humans. This would mean a lot of new strains that we would not know how to detect or deal with.

Yup. I mean, put humans in fecal-infested close confinement in numbers of 10.000s and see what happens. Big petry dish.

From what I remember it sounded rather that the virus mutated faster in ferrets, not just because of their environment. I cannot find a source for it, so I might have misunderstood.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by hkeide »

k__ wrote: post #149
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The bioavailability is much lower and it’s usually filled with factory oils like soybean oil which is not very healthy.

In the documentary "Game Changer" they said this is FUD by the meat industry.

There are many debunkings of The Game Changers, this is a good place to start: https://youtu.be/jClsLOuQ2DE?t=772

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by hkeide »

uhtred wrote: post #255
hkeide wrote: post #146

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The bioavailability is much lower and it’s usually filled with factory oils like soybean oil which is not very healthy.

"soybean oil which is not very healthy" - can you provide evidence for this?

There are lots of mouse studies that point to bad metabolic effects from soybean oil consumption. Many of these mechanisms are the same in humans. If one wants to start pulling the metaphorical thread on seed oils, this is not hard to do, as long as one realizes that the companies who sell these things will always tell the consumer they are healthy.

https://news.ucr.edu/articles/2020/01/17/americas-most-widel...

Seed oils did not exist in the food supply before the late 1800s, so the idea that they are this amazing health food, while also being incredibly cheap/profitable to produce and really useful in creating junk food really stretches credulity.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by mulmen »

uhtred wrote: post #253
pellucidar wrote: post #173

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“It tastes like meat” is a good argument when combined with “it’s cheaper than meat.” It falls flat when it’s more expensive than meat.

Many people choose to stop eating meat because it's cruel, not because they don't enjoy eating meat. Therefore plant based meat is a fantastic invention :)

Nobody is arguing that. This thread is about the marketing of plant-based diets to meat-eaters. The reasons for being vegan are well understood. They just aren't compelling to everyone. Cost is just another compelling argument.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by mulmen »

uhtred wrote: post #251
mulmen wrote: post #147

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If I want meat I will eat meat. Plants aren't meat. If you want people to eat plants then promote some vegan dishes that are good on their own without relying on comparisons to something else. "It tastes like meat" is not a compelling pitch. Bacon isn't advertised as "better than plants" or "tastes like plants". It doesn't need to. BMW doesn't run commercials during NFL games where members of the public think their c…

"It tastes like meat" is a compelling pitch for the many people who used to enjoy eating meat but stopped in order to lead a less cruel lifestyle :)

Yes, I know. But I am not one if them. "It's less cruel" is not a compelling enough argument for me to stop eating meat. If you tell me about some vegan dishes that are good on their own I will probably start eating them sometimes and my meat consumption will go down as a side effect. I'm literally telling you how you can sell more people on the idea of plant-based diets.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by cannedslime »

tinus_hn wrote: post #249
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If you never look for them you will never find them. I was very sick in december and still have bad lungs because of it. Wether it was "COVID" or just multiple types of the flu hitting me relentlessly I don't know, but the short story is that you basically are not taken serious by doctors if you come up to them and say "My lungs feel really bad after that thing you said was simply the flu one year ago". And I live in…

Not sure what your point is. You tell us an anecdote about how you are experiencing problems after you were sick in December. I’m pretty sure you didn’t get tested for Corona in December but anyway I don’t see how that justifies scaremongering about ‘a lot of cases’ where people have longlasting damage. Again, if it is so pronounced and affects so many people it shouldn’t be hard to show.

No I didnt get tested, first of all historically you do not get PCR testing for the coof unless you die, thats a trend beginning with covid. Also because it wasn't even on the radar unless you were one of those types of persons who hung out on 4chans /pol/ where they had daily threads about the virus since december at least.

My point is that governments do NOT want to address the ARDS concerns because it will mean millions of citizens will have to get early pensions, which will be a massive strain on welfare states. They'd rather not address this at all. My other point is that we have reached a point where PCR testing is utterly meaningless, it SOLELY benefits big pharma.

It makes no sense to keep on doing PCR testing, we should have done like china when shtf there and started doing symptom diagnostics instead since its way cheaper.

Also, if you need a respirator to breathe, you need it COVID or not. If you are sick, it doesn't really matter if its SARS-2, covid-20 or the flu. Stay home!

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by cannedslime »

cannedslime wrote: post #236

I am pretty sure that its already too late to contain this. Confirmed human infections.

I don't know who or why this was downvoted but. I told you so: https://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/samfund/mutationsvirus-fra-m...

214 infected with the new strain already.

This is a win for pharma companies, who can now sell TWO PCR test runs for every citizen tested.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by spaceman10 »

_Microft wrote: post #19
jlouis wrote: post #7

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1. Yes. This is serious. Mutation is a big red reset button on the pandemic potentially. 2. No. Minks are kept in small cages with a very high density of biomass. This makes it a perfect incubator. Also ferrets have some similarities with humans in the upper respiratory system, making this more of a concern.

Not only that, the conditions of keeping the animals close but not too close even encourages selection for mutations that allow the virus to spread more easily through air. If I remember correctly, ferrets were held under similiar conditions for "gain for function" experiments [0]. "Gain of function" means here how the virus can develop the ability (function) of spreading through the air when it e.g. initially requir…

This is really interesting. I wish they would have gone the other way after. Taken the bacteria from the middle and observed how long it took to lose that anti-bacterial resistance.

I am convinced that bacterial resistance is a trait, but am unconvinced of it's permanence if the utility of maintaining it is removed from the environment.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by Eupolemos »

tinus_hn wrote: post #226
intotheabyss wrote: post #135

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If it's alarmist, how come the Denmark government is taking such extreme measures?

Because they were alarmed? Governments are not immune to disinformation themselves and can experience pressure from a population rallied by falsehoods.

Dane here. This is the danish health authorities' recommendation.

If anyone thinks our government kills off >1000 farms and declares serious lockdown of a good part of our nation (no moving in and out of these counties, no going to work etc.) in a spur of the moment overreaction because of some Facebook sillyness, it is frankly getting insulting.

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