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Re: Gitlab Blocked Iranians’ Access

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Post by jessaustin »

panpanna wrote: post #196
Siira wrote: post #128

I am Persian. From what I gather, the middle-plus class here still mostly believes that changing the regime is costly and risky (especially since it might very well lead to a civil war, as the regime has no humanity and has shown that it will kill every single one of the people to survive). These sanctions certainly help align our incentives more with the US agenda, but they do not seem to be enough after all. Obama'…

Do you actually live there? From what I have heard the "high pressure" has only affected ordinary people who can't get things like meds and equipment. Just look how they were affected by corona, so much worse than their neighbors. I would highly, _highly_, doubt a person actually living there would consider the "high pressure" strategy a good thing.

Not to mention, such a comment seems to directly challenge HN admins to implement the same policy that Gitlab have, for HN users who live in Iran. That is, if we can believe the hyperbolic descriptions of "USA law" we read here...

Re: Gitlab Blocked Iranians’ Access

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Post by 00__00 »

The internet is not a parallel universe. Of course, if you are in one country and your country has not trade with country B, then you adhere to those rules. There are many examples of this, not just in the sanction sense.

People getting pissed. Seriously, this is macro economics!

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Post by arp242 »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #216
arp242 wrote: post #206

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On the other hand, many of the people living there are not at fault for any of this. They just ... live there. This is why I have such mixed feelings about these kind of sanctions: sure, I don't really disagree with what you're saying, but on the other hand in practice it means hurting normal people just building a life for themselves.

I read an opinion piece by Margret Meed (I think, memory may be off). Her claim was sanctions don't work. And all the burden falls on the powerless. All you end up doing is harming people that can't do anything and are blameless. I haven't seen anything in the last 35 years that contradicts that. The worse thing I've seen is the US is now so schizophrenic that countries under sanctions can't trust that making a deal…

I think I read the same piece a while ago, or something very similar to it. I'm not entirely sure what to think of it, I'd have to do some in-depth study to really have an informed opinion and chances are the effectiveness depends on the country as well; I'm not sure if generalizing "all sanctions are {good,bad}" across all countries is a good idea, as North-Korea is not the same as Iran. One case where sanctions and other pressure probably helped is ending apartheid in South-Africa.

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Post by Fuzzwah »

mcny wrote: post #258
freehunter wrote: post #254

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It’s interesting to me that the US views Iran more harshly than Israel does.

Iran, Israel, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia... There is so much going on there. Are they all at conflict with one another? Who are allies? How does this work?

On a long enough time scale, everyone is the bad guy.

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Post by SoapSeller »

tryauuum wrote: post #247
grishka wrote: post #243

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I've came across websites that return a 403 to ANY IP located in Russia for some reason. Official website for NSA's Ghidra is one example. Had to use a VPN because I was having none of that bullshit.

yes, still doesn't work from Russia — https://ghidra-sre.org/ I once had a different story — some openstack Q&A website wasn't unavailable from Russia. Turned out it wasn't the website who was blocking russian ips — it was roskomnadzor carpet-blocking whole IP ranges of cloud providers.

Doesn’t work from Israel as well.

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Post by sudosysgen »

colinmhayes wrote: post #233
sudosysgen wrote: post #163

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The US has sponsored terrorists covertly for decades now. Just because they stopped publically sponsoring terrorists doesn't mean much when most of the last century was spent covertly sponsoring them too.

Ok but if Iran stopped publicly sponsoring terrorists and trying to nuke Israel they wouldn't be sanctioned. The public support is an integral part of why they're sanctioned.

Iran would definitely be sanctioned no matter what. The goal of sanctioning Iran is to suppress the Iranian economy and prevent them from somehow achieving the kind of influence that they would naturally have over the Middle East.

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Post by falcolas »

einpoklum wrote: post #139
falcolas wrote: post #98

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What non-violent (yes, there is violence inherent in sanctions, but it is a rather different scale than war) alternative would you suggest for punishing a foreign country? EDIT: I see this question has been asked in other threads, but not answered. Whether Iran should be punished is a separate question (one on which I am personally too ignorant to hold an opinion about) from how should one country punish another.

> What non-violent alternative would you suggest for punishing a foreign country? It is not for the US to "punish" other world states, even if "Iran should be punished". If you, or your state, believe some kind of sanctions are in order, there are international bodies and forums where this can be discussed and decided upon: The UN security council, international courts, and other more specialized bodies, some of whic…

Why should one country not allowed to enforce a policy for companies/individuals who live in/are incorporated in that country against another country, without the UN being involved?

This whole article is about a US company enforcing US rules.

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Post by falcolas »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #147
falcolas wrote: post #98

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What non-violent (yes, there is violence inherent in sanctions, but it is a rather different scale than war) alternative would you suggest for punishing a foreign country? EDIT: I see this question has been asked in other threads, but not answered. Whether Iran should be punished is a separate question (one on which I am personally too ignorant to hold an opinion about) from how should one country punish another.

Countries are not people (they are made of people). Punishing them makes little sense. If one wants a country to behave some way, one should think of how to make it happen, and what's the cost to everyone involved. Sanctions should never be part of a punitive system, which at the level of a whole country is inevitably unjust. They should only be part of an incentive system, where you hope to steer the other country t…

> there's this question of whether a country should have the right to influence another country to begin with

Are sanctions influencing another country, or limiting how companies and people from the sanctioning country interact with foreign entities?

> They should only be part of an incentive system

Has an incentive system between countries ever been implemented and worked? For a specific what-if, is there a way that we could have realistically "incentivized" Cuba to disassociate with the USSR?

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Post by Gibbon1 »

ohmaigad wrote: post #229
Gibbon1 wrote: post #217

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My opinion, Crimea is a geopolitical nuance. Any cunning plan cooked up by a western leader that has to do with Crimea blows up in their face.

It is not a nuance, it is a terrible precedent showing that Russia can just come and take away a sovereign states territory. It is like a bigger tougher person coming into your home and starting to live there and there is nobody who is going to help you.

Yeah Russia took The Crimea from the Turks almost 250 years ago. Western designs on the place never have anything to do with the people that live there. Always blow up in their face to determent of the various peoples that live there.

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Post by sudosysgen »

mcny wrote: post #258
freehunter wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting to me that the US views Iran more harshly than Israel does.

Iran, Israel, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia... There is so much going on there. Are they all at conflict with one another? Who are allies? How does this work?

Israel is an ally of the KSA against Iran, though they both pretend not to be for domestic consumption. They are indeed both in conflict with one another, because in truth Iran is really the only country in the Middle East that could threaten to become an independent power, on the level of say, Turkey.
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