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Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty promises in Wisconsin

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Re: Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty promises in Wisconsin

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Post by silexia »

schemescape wrote: post #44

> Woo said these researchers would be developing Foxconn’s “AI 8K+5G ecosystem,” something that, other than being a list of different technologies, has never been coherently explained. And we’re supposed to be surprised this didn’t work out? :)

In a best-case scenario, the Legislative Fiscal Bureau found the state wouldn’t break even until 2043. Depending on how many people Foxconn hired, each job would cost taxpayers somewhere between $200,000 and more than a million dollars. The average subsidy in the US is around $24,000 per job.

-Shouldn't we simply ban these special tax breaks and credits and cash payments altogether? Isn't that what the free market is supposed to be about?

Re: Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty promises in Wisconsin

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Post by Lazare »

jonstewart wrote: post #258
rhino369 wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not money is speech, most of the time speech needs money. Banning spending money on newspaper is banning the newspaper. Banning spending money on advertisement is banning the advertisement. Under the dissenting view in Citizens United, Congress could ban the NYT, WaPo, WSJ, etc. from talking about politics. That's just absurd. Congress could have banned the Federalist Papers! I've always tried to find a mi…

I find your reply unconvincing and disjointed. Among many other potential avenues for debate, the lowest hanging fruit seems to be noting that you’ve seemingly forgotten about freedom of the press with all your examples.

> the lowest hanging fruit seems to be noting that you’ve seemingly forgotten about freedom of the press with all your examples.

That's a deep, deep non sequitur.

Citzens United was about whether the government can stop corporations such as the NYT from talking about politics. The majority held that they cannot; freedom of the press (in the form of the fist amendment) protects them.

The minority held that the freedom of the press does not protect them. The person you are replying to noted, correctly, that under this view the NYT could be stopped from discussing politics, and your reply is, essentially, "that can't be right, the first amendment would protect them!" I agree, of course, as did, thankfully, Justice Kennedy and four of the other justices. The dissenting justices, however, seem to have forgotten about freedom of the press...

Re: Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty promises in Wisconsin

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

rsynnott wrote: post #190
sudosysgen wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is incredibly shameful, but sometimes the utter disregard they have for the taxpayer is so stunning and brazen that you can't help but admire.

It's... quite weird to blame _Foxconn_ for this. It's a company, a government offered it free money for no real commitments (as a fairly nakedly obvious political ploy), it took it. That's what companies do; if it hadn't been Foxconn it'd have been someone else. Most of the blame lies with the government. This is really a story of failure upon failure; the political ploy didn't work out for Walker, either. No-one's h…

You sound like a sociopath right now. Individuals are responsible for their own actions. It's not weird. Stop spreading the meme that it's weird to hold individuals accountable for their own choices. Just stop.

Re: Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty promises in Wisconsin

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Post by shalmanese »

redis_mlc wrote: post #80

Just for those who don't understand the business side of this. Chinese mfgs. don't and won't make anything in the USA except in remarkable circumstances. There's many reasons, but supply chain, labor force, eco, and costs are the main ones. What's funny is when a Chinese businesperson is doing an interview in the US, and they're asked, "how many jobs are you creating in the US?" Cue the stammering, since they were ex…

You might want to look up who owns Foxconn and what nationality the company is.

Re: Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty promises in Wisconsin

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Post by JetSpiegel »

cabotmoose wrote: post #220
jonstewart wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The essential problem, which Justice Kennedy seemed not to understand, is that money is not speech. The easy test to show this as nonsense is quantification, i.e., it’s clearly the case that some citizens have more money than others, but it’s nonsense to think that some citizens have more free speech than others. One of Justice Kennedy’s clerks in 2009-2010 was Misha Tseytlin, a Federalist Society member who undoubte…

Does this quantification argument hold for citizens that are considered public figures? While they might not have more free speech than other citizens, they certainly have a more visible platform to communicate their opinions

Public Figures != Rich.

Bezos has no more free speech than Bernie Sanders, even though Sanders is only a millionaire.

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