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Hacked billboards make Teslas see phantom objects causing them to swerve or stop

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Re: Hacked billboards make Teslas see phantom objects causing them to swerve or stop

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Post by justanotherhn »

mjburgess wrote: post #217
bipson wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, which one is it now: Are self-driving computers superior to humans and make less mistakes, or is it OK for a computer to be tricked by something some humans would also not detect? Btw. I think I can tell if there is a real stop-sign or something on a billboard after some 'huh'-moment and without slamming on the brakes. And humans still go circles around AI regarding plausibility-checking very out-of-the-ordinar…

It's neither. Self-driving cars aren't superior. There is 1 death in 100 million miles driven on roads; self-driving cars are currently operating around 1 death per million. Personally, I do not expect self-driving cars this century to get anywhere near human safety levels (assuming cities/etc. remain as-is).

You want to drop some links to back up your claims?

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Post by black_puppydog »

TheMightyLlama wrote: post #259
black_puppydog wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, gotta check that out then I guess? I was going off "Enemy of the State" :P

I felt more of a smooth Segway from real event to news report to the detective who is about to be assigned to this case vibe.

That's why I mentioned "I, Robot". I'm not sure yet who manipulated that billboard, evil three letter agency or rogue AI. But I am sure that this is a detective story and that Will Smith will be either the detective or the unwitting bystander who gets drawn into the whole mess. :P

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Post by ByteJockey »

zamfi wrote: post #110
ByteJockey wrote: post #106

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That's more of an active process than this. This seems like hanging a rock painted with political slogans off the side of a bridge (presumably by some sort of rope) and letting people drive into it.

This is not less illegal, it turns out.

I wasn't debating that part, I just didn't particularly like the simile used, so I offered a different one.

Re: Hacked billboards make Teslas see phantom objects causing them to swerve or stop

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Post by mjburgess »

justanotherhn wrote: post #261
mjburgess wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's neither. Self-driving cars aren't superior. There is 1 death in 100 million miles driven on roads; self-driving cars are currently operating around 1 death per million. Personally, I do not expect self-driving cars this century to get anywhere near human safety levels (assuming cities/etc. remain as-is).

You want to drop some links to back up your claims?

Just a quick google of my comment yields: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/...

and

https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/5/17/18564501/self-driving-c...

I haven't read it all -- my numbers come from another paper, I can't recall. But it's talking in the right ballparks.

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