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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by srean »

nilsocket wrote: post #242
postingawayonhn wrote: post #5

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Their operations in India are financed by donations form Indians. From the linked update: > For human rights work in India, it operates through a distinct model of raising funds domestically. More than four million Indians have supported Amnesty International India’s work in the last eight years and around 100,000 Indians have made financial contributions.

That's what happens, when you believe in propaganda. What do you say about this, https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/131096945905453875...

… I believe your view is that ARanganathan72 is not a well known rightwing propaganda handle. OK, if you say so.

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Post by nilsocket »

srean wrote: post #252
nilsocket wrote: post #245

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Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya are christianized long back. But Many media doesn't cover it, but Evangelism very high, in north-eastern states, almost 70% of the population became Christians. I'm all in, if people with their knowledge want to take Christianity. But de-generation of native faiths, Money, ... and other facilities for conversion are being provided. https://swarajyamag.com/culture/how-northeast-india-wa…

Well I grew up in the Northeast ('80s). One thing I can assert that these missionaries treated the population a lot more respect than the (for the lack of a better word) folks from mainland India. The common attitude towards Northeast people by my fellow countrymen was that of utter contempt to the point of treating them as inferior beings. Sure the missionaries had an agenda. But given my options as an hypothetical…

I completely agree with you, no denial.

But in-order to understand the nuances, one needs to see this in context of history.

unfortunately, its too big to explain.

Support for native traditions is very bad, no denial. Mainland Indians leave out north-east, no denial.

But, this is same in case of every region, every community is on their own protecting themselves.

And what do they get in return for protecting their culture, obviously nothing.

Short video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmGQ_jFP6ao

Please understand, morale of this country is being broken from nearly 1200 years.

It's only now we got freedom, it will take time to settle things, maybe 40 to 50 years more.

We are a democratic country, it takes time.

Edit: grammatical mistakes

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by srean »

nilsocket wrote: post #262
srean wrote: post #252

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Well I grew up in the Northeast ('80s). One thing I can assert that these missionaries treated the population a lot more respect than the (for the lack of a better word) folks from mainland India. The common attitude towards Northeast people by my fellow countrymen was that of utter contempt to the point of treating them as inferior beings. Sure the missionaries had an agenda. But given my options as an hypothetical…

I completely agree with you, no denial. But in-order to understand the nuances, one needs to see this in context of history. unfortunately, its too big to explain. Support for native traditions is very bad, no denial. Mainland Indians leave out north-east, no denial. But, this is same in case of every region, every community is on their own protecting themselves. And what do they get in return for protecting their cu…

First of all I don't need to be mansplained about what is happening in the Northeast with videos short or not. Neither do I need to be schooled in the nuances, thank you.

I am just sick and tired of the narrative that comes from the right wing "look missionaries did these horrible things". My rebuttal to that is (i) where were you and (ii) you (not you personally, the rightwing ideology) continue to do worse even today. So the right-wing does not really have a leg to stand on in this particular case.

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Post by john4532452 »

arjun1296 wrote: post #201
john4532452 wrote: post #97

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> Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. There is a fundamental difference Indian nationalism and other countries nationalism. Indian nationalism is all about bringing back the "varna system" which advocates stratification of society based on the birth and access to education is only allowed for the brahmins(priestly caste). This was the system implemented strictly before the Britishers arrived to India. No…

Where and when did this govt deny education? Do you have any evidence or are you just grappling with straws here?

Its trying its best https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-tn-govt-scraps-order-t...

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Post by _ieq6 »

srean wrote: post #260
nilsocket wrote: post #243

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https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/131096945905453875... https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/117000966338502656... https://www.opindia.com/2019/09/the-life-and-crimes-of-amnes... https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/india-h... https://swarajyamag.com/culture/how-northeast-india-was-chri... https://tfipost.com/2016/09/christian-missionaries-conversio...

Opindia is a fake news channel that created to incite communal violence. https://thewire.in/communalism/bihar-opindia-khabartak-minor... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIndia That you get your news from there, or if not, choose to paste links to their reporting tells a lot about your agenda here. Swarajyamag is rightwing mouthpiece. Opinion of one person on the internet who happens to have a twitter account counts fo…

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Post by ashleshbiradar »

malware7 wrote: post #86
ashleshbiradar wrote: post #51

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this post is from a reputed source, I see no reason why it should be taken down. As far as I am concerned, this is not a subjective thing, the crack down on Amnesty International in the country is not subject to individual opinions.

It just happens that the "reputed source" itself is under question for source of their funding. What you consider reputed is your opinion, not a fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amnesty_Internati...

lol, dude, the criticism is mostly from authoritarian countries, China, Iran, Russia, or countries that violate human rights, Sri Lanka(the entire issue with tamils), or US(Guantánamo Bay).

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Post by arjun1296 »

detaro wrote: post #233
arjun1296 wrote: post #217

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https://qz.com/india/948392/why-did-winston-churchill-hate-t... http://ramachandraguha.in/archives/%E2%80%98a-beastly-people... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Winston_Church...

seriously? Someone who's generally considered to have been very racist is your reference for what people think today? Not exactly a good argument for why you should be taken seriously.

You asked for one famous example and now that I gave one, you are bickering about how its not from the present.

How miserable is that?

There also examples of media censoring in UK when truth of Islamic conversion was discussed. UK is headed for downright destruction as it has started to censoring the truth.

Another example is Henry Kissinger calling the entire Indian race as "scavengers"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7536155/Sikh-peer-q...

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/modi-meets-kissing...

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/scavengers-sexless-...

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Post by gruez »

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #253
gruez wrote: post #223

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>Shipping India's able-bodied workforce to the US [...] I wonder why the blame is on the US or American companies, which offer better working conditions and pay, rather than Indian companies for not being competitive enough, or the expats for "defecting" from their home country.

Because the laws and treaties that enable it were enacted by the US government.

And what about the laws and treaties that enable enacted by the indian government? If they wanted to they could do what the soviet union did and impose borders controls to prevent indian engineers from escaping india.

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Post by _ieq6 »

srean wrote: post #263
nilsocket wrote: post #262

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I completely agree with you, no denial. But in-order to understand the nuances, one needs to see this in context of history. unfortunately, its too big to explain. Support for native traditions is very bad, no denial. Mainland Indians leave out north-east, no denial. But, this is same in case of every region, every community is on their own protecting themselves. And what do they get in return for protecting their cu…

First of all I don't need to be mansplained about what is happening in the Northeast with videos short or not. Neither do I need to be schooled in the nuances, thank you. I am just sick and tired of the narrative that comes from the right wing "look missionaries did these horrible things". My rebuttal to that is (i) where were you and (ii) you (not you personally, the rightwing ideology) continue to do worse even tod…

If you have some courtesy to watch the video, it neither talks about conversions nor about north-east, nor about Christians.

It talks about how bad Hindus are in supporting each other, when it comes to religion.

What is so called right-wing ideology doing?

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Post by arjun1296 »

john4532452 wrote: post #264
arjun1296 wrote: post #201

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Where and when did this govt deny education? Do you have any evidence or are you just grappling with straws here?

Its trying its best https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-tn-govt-scraps-order-t...

Isn't that the responsibility of the state-govt to ensure that people are educated?

What is central-govt doing to "DENY" education and that based on "caste" ? I still didn't find any evidence.

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