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"As an Indian"
You can be Indian and still be wrong about aspects of your country. In GPs case, he was generalizing too much about Indian universities.
How many of us get to study in IITs?
Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence
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OK So this sending zip files doesn't just happen in Indian IT companies, it happens in IBM India aswell, a friend of mine tells me how she sends her code in email or use some dropbox like service. These dinosaurs are quite antiquated because of the head of something something BS manager prefers zip over git. In other instances they dont get a testing server for months and then she has to navigate the buereucracy writ…
I used to work for IBM years ago. This sounded very familiar - especially the part about waiting weeks/months for a server to be physically installed and configured. I have a distinct memory of basically begging my boss to let me expense a VM on AWS (this was probably somewhere around 2008-2009 IIRC) and we would have been up and running the samenday. Never happened - we just slipped the timelines for a few weeks and…
WoW so not much has changed from when you use to work there and now. Also outsourced teams are awful at large companies like IBM because the people who hire them are usually not current with the technology and have this 20 yrs of experience writing some SAP thing. I mean it awful, they do 1-2 hours of standups.
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#263Indian IT consultancies make money by selling Software Engineers, not Software to US/EU;
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I had extremely good experiences with opening a subsidiary office in Sofia, Bulgaria (not outsourcing, but legit part of the company.) Code quality went way up compared to what was developed in the US/UK, somewhat less expensive (but not that much, like you said), and most importantly and perhaps also the most surprisingly, the attitude of the young kids working there is way more positive and well-adjusted that what…
Can confirm, eastern europeans are above average regarding technical skills, though sometimes lacking on the social side. If I had to outsource, I‘d go east. They’ve got some amazing talent. I would avoid southern europe and india. And yes, I have direct experience with all of those.
> I would avoid southern europe and india.
Were you paying good salaries?
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Wrong—“codes” is correct in the Indian dialect of English. This is akin to arguing over whether “color” or “colour” is the correct spelling.
While what I'll say will surely be controversial and will lead to many down votes, Indian dialect of English is not considered a "standard." As a result, the correctness of something in Indian dialect does not mean it is "proper English" or "correct English". If you go to non-English speaking Europe, most textbooks come from the British Council, and teach British English. If you go to China and a lot of Asian countri…
> Indian dialect of English is not considered a "standard."
Says who?
If more than 200 million people follow it then it becomes a standard whether you like it or not.
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Isn't this why a variety of industries such as banking are being or will be disrupted? For example in banking, I would love to set up income apportionment (i.e. x% here, y% there, ...) but for some reason I have to split out income deposits every once in a while via manual, external tools. Why is it again that we haven't set up two sided and payee specific authorizations so that we never hand out data that can be use…
Banks aren't being "disrupted", every new fintech hotness has an old fat bank behind, so either way they win. Like every musical chair game, some poor schmuck will sleep and lose but most of the banks will be just fine.
I agree. Banks haven't been disrupted in any serious manner yet.
You could go further and note that every angel or VC backed firm has a financier behind it.
I wouldn't claim it will be easy but I will suggest there is a large opportunity.
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I see nothing wrong or nonstandard with Indian English, as a native US English speaker living in Canada myself. Are you going to claim that Canada uses nonstandard English simply because it's a hybrid of US and UK English with a few phonetic and lexical twists of its own? Or that Scottish English is somehow less legitimate than England's English (the two are quite different) despite Scotland being part of the UK for…
> I see nothing wrong or nonstandard with Indian English, as a native US English speaker living in Canada myself. I try to see it from the perspective of a non-native speaker trying to learn English. If I know no English, and pay for teachers to teach me English, I definitely do not want to be taught Indian English. Not because it's wrong, not because it's $whatever_adjective, but because it will sound incorrect to t…
> I definitely do not want to be taught Indian English.
So does that mean you would refuse to learn English words which originated in India like Shampoo, Juggernaut etc?
https://www.dailywritingtips.com/15-english-words-of-indian-...
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#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't this why a variety of industries such as banking are being or will be disrupted? For example in banking, I would love to set up income apportionment (i.e. x% here, y% there, ...) but for some reason I have to split out income deposits every once in a while via manual, external tools. Why is it again that we haven't set up two sided and payee specific authorizations so that we never hand out data that can be use…
Banks have moats. It's really hard to get past these moats. They are so central to the way that the financial system works, that it's really hard to "disrupt" them. Even the tech giants likely wouldn't succeed.
Yes, the regulatory overhead is quite high. There are plenty of adjacent firms who could start making moves. Banks are central but the disruptor only needs to provide increasing partial replacement at sufficient profit to continue offering services at sufficient parity.
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#270To set context, I'm Indian. I used to work for Razorfish for about 2 years, working with our counterparts in London, Austin, and San Francisco. I ended up building a team of 50-odd Products Designers and Front-end Engineers in about a years time. So, We used to work with lots of "engineers" from well-known other Indian Outsourcing firms. Here are few anecdotes; Even amongst themselves, they don't respect each other i…
> I once lambasted a "tech-team" of a really well known India company for not even knowing how to push codes to git. I patiently explained to the team on how to work collaboratively and to push codes I had to document and then teach over multiple sessions a small team from Infosys how to use Git. 3 weeks, and they all said they understood. Months later nobody could still check code out let alone commit. Then again, I…
What's the deal with this? I worked with an Info Sys contractor from India. He was supposed to be the Apache Spark expert we so desperately needed to start being more productive.
Not only did he not have expertise on Spark, he could barely type and I had to do everything for him with regard to Git. I suggested it would actually be a better use of his time to brush up on these essential skills than to try being productive without them but he refused. He actually seemed to think that _I_ was the one who needed to work on my skills and that he was doing fine.
Did he just lie his way through the interview process? It seriously seemed like he watched some YouTube videos about big data and then decided he was a black belt in the area.