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Re: Ask HN: My GitHub account got suspended without any notice

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Post by hinkley »

smoe wrote: post #124
Yanu-3452 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Careful about leaping to conclusions, we're hearing one side of a story here.

Well the problem seems to be that the other side can't be bothered to give their side of the story. Which is not something unheard of when dealing with large companies. If true,that they did not respond, that would be much more worrisome to me than whatever the reason for the ban might have been.

The other side already waived their right to be heard by closing an account... pardon, another account, with zero communication.

That was the time to start sharing “your side”.

Re: Ask HN: My GitHub account got suspended without any notice

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Post by ncmncm »

jedieaston wrote: post #152
kps wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need a hosting provider. Your code fits on each developers' machine. (Remember when git was touted as a distributed version control system?) If it doesn't, you're at the scale where you're not worrying about your hosting provider dropping you — they're worried about you dropping them.

That's just as true of GitHub though, and isn't the problem. The problem is the related services, like issues, PRs and now CI/CD which all sit with the code but don't come down on a clone. That problem still hasn't been solved, which could mean your whole knowledge base goes missing if you lose access to the server. CI/CD can maybe be replicated from what's on your laptop, but if you don't have the PR history it coul…

I never understood why all that stuff wasn't also committed to the same repository. History is history, whether it's source code or talk about source code.

Of course it could also be in a database thingy for querying and stuff.

Some people say it is because Github wants to lock you in. I don't really believe that, but I am equally sure they don't mind if you lock yourself in.

Re: Ask HN: My GitHub account got suspended without any notice

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Post by mobilio »

marcinzm wrote: post #93
jabroni_salad wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but to the point of not even having a local copy of your source code? That just seems irresponsible.

A local copy helps you migrate to a new provider but that's still a lot of effort and downtime. You lose ticketing, pull requests, CI/CD pipeline, artifact storage, etc.

You always can make a local GitLab - installation take minutes and everything is in-place.

Please explain where is "lot of effort and downtime"?

Re: Ask HN: My GitHub account got suspended without any notice

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Post by paride5745 »

I was still on the fence between staying on Github or moving to Gitlab.

All the bad experiences I'm reading in the comments helped me realize it's time to move to Gitlab.

Too bad my company still doesn't want to migrate (too many integrations with Github sadly), even considering all the downtimes in the past few months which have impacted us significantly.

Re: Ask HN: My GitHub account got suspended without any notice

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Post by account42 »

zomglings wrote: post #13

It is ridiculous that GitHub has not even responded to your support ticket. To anyone reading from GitHub, this is making me rethink my choice of GitHub as a platform, and I'm sure the same is true for other people reading this post. Your reputation is very much at stake. To anyone reading this from Gitlab, how easy is it to migrate CI/CD off of GitHub Actions to Gitlab?

I am still looking for a good self-hosted solution for code hosting and bug tracking that

- Doesn't have excessive server side dependencies or resource requirements

- Doesn't have unnecessary client-side requirements (should be fully usable without JS, should not load a million resources to render a single page)

- Doesn't make any external requests (except for things like third-party logins where there is no other way)

- Has decent UX and visuals

Re: Ask HN: My GitHub account got suspended without any notice

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Post by theandrewbailey »

hundchenkatze wrote: post #251
theandrewbailey wrote: post #219

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Exclusive control of an activity isn't needed to be a monopoly. In the 90s, people used Netscape on Macs, but Microsoft got declared a monopoly anyway.

First I don't think your Netscape on Mac argument holds up. The antitrust suit was about IE on Windows. "[...] the U.S. government accused Microsoft of illegally maintaining its monopoly position in the PC market primarily through the legal and technical restrictions it put on the abilities of PC manufacturers (OEMs) and users to uninstall Internet Explorer and use other programs such as Netscape and Java." [0] "The…

That's kind of my point. Microsoft didn't hold exclusive control over operating systems nor internet browsers, but got called a monopoly in those markets anyway, despite available alternatives. Yes, there was more to it than just that. They merely had a lot of control in the market and was doing shady things.

Re: Ask HN: My GitHub account got suspended without any notice

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Post by codegeek »

joepie91_ wrote: post #218
mcv wrote: post #202

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For a paid account this is utterly unacceptable. For a free account I can kinda understand it, although it'd still be nice to get some automated explanation. An automated system that can't provide a good reason to disable an account, shouldn't be disabling accounts at all. If this is a thing that happens at Github, I guess that's another reason to check out Gitlab instead.

And this sort of thing is why some of us have been endlessly warning that it's probably a bad idea to centralize all of the open-source ecosystem onto a single centralized, proprietary, commercial platform. Not that those warnings were heeded, of course, as usual.

Technically git is free and you can self host. The issue is that the power of money cannot be ignored. Github has become the defacto centralized OSS ecosystem because it is free and can afford to be free due to the money they have.

I would argue that we should encourage more platforms (paid) that can host git and not just depend on github or gitlab. But those 2 are successful because they were some of the early ones and then got a lot of money/funding. There may be other alternatives but no one wants to put their code with a small risky company that may not exist tomorrow. IF we can solve that problem, I think we will be ok.

Re: Ask HN: My GitHub account got suspended without any notice

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

DNied wrote: post #245
mako254 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are absolutely right - you can't just handover a kill switch for your business to a megacorp. However, there are a lot of instances where alternatives are not viable because of the same megacorps. For example, email is a major online ID and being locked out of it can be disastrous even for an individual. Ideally, you would want an email server of your own - but then the 2 major email providers simply junk the mai…

So far, only Microsoft has been a nuisance to my personal SMTP server (there's an open issue about Microsoft's dubious blacklists on GitHub, with several participants: https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/microsoft-365-docs/issues/5... ). Just a little part of why I hate and mistrust that company.

Me too. I've repeatedly had deliverability problems to Microsoft. Everywhere else has had no problems apart from the initial setup when I didn't know what I was doing.
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