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Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

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No this is just a mis-categorization of our site. We are not a gambling site. We've been trying to fix this issue. I think because of some of the language on our site ("win prizes" etc.) we have been improperly categorized as a gambling site by automated scrapers, and some corporate internet providers block gambling sites. That's all that is.

I'm sorry to be that guy, but the way I see your service is exactly like a gambling site. The interest you pay is lower than inflation, meaning that I am giving you money to buy the chance of winning a big prize. That's gambling. You can genuinely think that you will be helping the world, I am not questioning your ethics because I don't know you. But I don't agree with you. I fundamentally believe that what you are o…

Agree to disagree I guess. Throw out the helping the world part. Your definition of gambling just seems off.

By your definition, pretty much anything would be considered gambling? A generic savings account might return less than inflation and you get nothing else for it. A checking account earns 0% and you get nothing else. Is that gambling?

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

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My company is blocking your site as a gambling site! Isn’t that a big red-flag?

No this is just a mis-categorization of our site. We are not a gambling site. We've been trying to fix this issue. I think because of some of the language on our site ("win prizes" etc.) we have been improperly categorized as a gambling site by automated scrapers, and some corporate internet providers block gambling sites. That's all that is.

Yeah, it would be good to fix this early (even if it means maybe fixing the copy on the front page to not trigger these automated scrapers). I was confused as to why my company would block a financial site and was wondering if you purchased the domain from a previous service that was gambling related.

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

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No this is just a mis-categorization of our site. We are not a gambling site. We've been trying to fix this issue. I think because of some of the language on our site ("win prizes" etc.) we have been improperly categorized as a gambling site by automated scrapers, and some corporate internet providers block gambling sites. That's all that is.

I'm sorry to be that guy, but the way I see your service is exactly like a gambling site. The interest you pay is lower than inflation, meaning that I am giving you money to buy the chance of winning a big prize. That's gambling. You can genuinely think that you will be helping the world, I am not questioning your ethics because I don't know you. But I don't agree with you. I fundamentally believe that what you are o…

Not sure why you feel that way -- I don't see it as a gambling site because you aren't losing your money to someone else. The interest seems in line with other saving accounts while having some incentive to encourage saving more? Overall good for you in the long run, isn't it? Inspite of any compulsions to gambling you might have.

Edit: Editing to also say that enticing you to tune in to look at weekly results doesn't help I guess and makes it feel like something you could get addicted to and emotionally frustrated when you don't win? In that sense maybe not good?

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

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I'm the same way, I know the lottery is a terrible bet but I still find myself buying a ticket every now and then. This was one of the main motivations for starting Yotta for me. Will definitely check out The Lottery in Babylon!

Saving USD is a terrible bet

As opposed to a virtual token?

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

#265

Give where interest rates are, young people should be borrowing more (but not student debt), not saving more.

While it's a good time to borrow, you still need accessible cash saved up for an emergency no matter what.

Hey Adam, I am Shawn. Are you guys open to bringing on affiliates? Would love to speak with you guys to promote this great app.

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

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Section 14 of the official rules says that you can write for a list of winners. https://www.withyotta.com/official-rules Does that mean that one could essentially get a list of your customers (that won in a particular week) if someone requests the winners every week? Over time one could figure out about how much each customer has in their savings account. What information is released on the winners list? I'm not sure…

We only use first names and last initials along with cities for social proof to show that people are winning, and we only show when a ticket has won a notable amount so there's a fair amount of randomness to who shows up (currently >$10) We also allow you to be completely anonymous from the privacy settings within the app.

I am so confused. Are you saying your company will reveal personal information, without a users consent? What if the user doesn't want to appear on the winners list? What if they withdraw their consent at a later point? What if they live in California (CCPA)?

In the UK, no such list is published. Nor is it published for lottery winners (you can opt to be anonymous, which is the default option).

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

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You can do provably fair gambling by using cryptography to show the generation was not tampered with. It was common in bitcoin gambling sites that had no other way to prove they were (somewhat) legit.

While this may be cryptographically sound(I haven't looked into it), it's not a viable solution since it won't be trusted or understood by the majority of their target demographic.

Surely it depends how they would frame it? I'd imagine they wouldn't lead with "Cryptographically secure with BitCoin .."

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

#269

This is the best fintech app I've ever seen. If y'all could get the interest rate up, there would be no reason not to use this. I'm not using this today because I get 1.05% with Marcus.

There's some confusion we probably need to clear up on what our "rate" is. Our base rate if you win no prizes ever is 0.20%. Including the expected value of prizes it's above Marcus today.

Yeah I would change your home page to put your "rate" with some way to denote that the interest rate + EV is better than competitors, instead of putting just the base rate.

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

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I might get around to doing the math myself, but what would be the APY given the expected earnings I calculated above with an average American savings account of say $7,000.

The EV on an annualized basis is around 3% right now because we are subsidizing some of the prizes currently. In the long run we will aim to match Marcus and Ally, which right now are at around ~1% but go up or down depending on market cycles.

How long do you think you could sustain the ~ 3% rate before going down to 1%? Please be honest : )
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