Has anyone noticed, if you mention chinese, you actively get your point decreased by one point.
Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
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Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
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Not all governments are equal. Cut out this whaddaboutism. Edit: When I replied, OP was simply “governments monitor all major companies... including the US government”
Whataboutism is usually done to defend something by making it look better in comparison but what the OP was arguing is that we should be pursuing end to end encrypted solutions exclusively because it’s not just the Chinese government who are doing the snooping. ie he’s not defending Zoom nor the Chinese government but suggesting the complaint against Zoom/China doesn’t go far enough
OP was in fact not making that argument when I posted my comment.
Obviously I agree that E2E should be the default and that ideally you have no governments snooping. The initial comment was a far less substantive, “US spies too.”
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
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The main reason I liked Zoom was because it was so easy to install. I've had zooms with non-technical people over 70, and not one of them needed help installing it. The same cannot be said of Google. Heck, as a technical person I have trouble getting Google Meet to work consistently. That was Zoom's main advantage -- their ease of setup and use, and "it just works". We now know that part of the reason that is the cas…
Am I the only one who finds Zoom more difficult to use than Google Meet? I am not a regular user of Zoom, and do not want to install the app on my computer, but Zoom apparently requires the meeting organizer to go into their settings and enable a "Join from your browser" link for participants [0]. This is quite user unfriendly, and if I have to watch some seminar on Zoom I can't be asking the organizer to enable this…
Yes, if you refuse to use the features they have that make it easy to just use, it isn't easy to just use.
Why is that a surprise?
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#264I wonder if we'll hear the "they're a private company, they can do what they want, it is only censorship if the government does it" routine. I remember about a decade ago when certain parties were so concerned with voices being silenced and "erasure." The same people are now cheering when Facebook, Twitter, and the like shut down certain kinds of speech, with great discretion as to how the "rules" are implemented. Th…
Going after bigots on your platform does not equal going after activists. Please do not intentionally confuse the two.
Is there an objective way of distinguishing between an activist and a bigot? The CCP can just say that they consider this activist to be a bigot.
Internet platforms should never have been in the business of censorship. Unfortunately, liberals encouraged them to censor their political opponents for short term gain. The result is sad but predictable. Any speech that offends someone powerful is now subject to possible censorship.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not all governments are equal. Cut out this whaddaboutism. Edit: When I replied, OP was simply “governments monitor all major companies... including the US government”
Please don't post this sort of unsubstantive and generic comment. It makes discussion more predictable and much less interesting. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Also, the whataboutism trope is an example of canned arguments that don't belong in HN threads. One should respond either to the specifics of an argument, or downvote/flag a comment as appropriate, or just not respond. I wrote…
The original comment was essentially, “the US does this too.”
That is the comment attempting to constrain the conversation by generalizing it beyond meaning.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
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Here are more details shared by Humanitarian China with links to the video recordings and the photos of Zoom blockage. https://docs.google.com/document/d/12DM3ccTe70yzqCDPu9uXlCD7... .
That link (the one in your other comment works) doesn't really say anything the article doesn't already. All it says is that the account was shut down a week after the event, and that "it seems possible ZOOM acted on pressure from the CCP to shut down our account". That appears to be pure conjecture however, which is why I want to hear Zoom's side. Nobody's disputing the account was blocked, but there's zero informat…
It gives proof which I was looking for.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
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This matters to me and might be enough to get me to switch away (as a former zoom defender). On the other hand, for the average person using Zoom for video calling their families, or for companies forced into WFH that finally set up a Zoom subscription and would have to go through self-imposed bureaucratic hell to swap platforms? I think the usability of the platform and simple convenience far outweighs any desire to…
China stealing IP was a concerning issue in the past 2 decades and it's still an ongoing issue. Yet now we have companies willingly handing over data to a CCP-controlled entity. I'm not sure whether to cry or to laugh.
> China stealing IP
Is that relevant to Zoom? In this situation Zoom is competing an open market, and I find it interesting to see multiple world-class apps be innovated in China that compete worldwide. I also find the common over-reaction to being beaten in a “fair“ competition leads to some odd rationalisations from many in the US.
As a software developer in New Zealand, I find the IP laws relating to software within the US and the attempts at projecting those laws worldwide to be rent seeking behaviour at a national level. The US had an analogous issue a while back with the British.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#268I'd just like to see more evidence and information before making judgment here. There's no response from Zoom whatsoever, which is odd. Could this have been other users maliciously reporting the account as abuse, and it was closed automatically? Or something else similar? Or if China is putting pressure on Zoom, then how exactly? If Zoom, an American company, really did intentionally close the account of someone livi…
Zoom is a multinational company.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
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Zoom is a company I have loved so far, but a lot of this is starting to really rub me the wrong way and I really don't want to have to go find another solution. However, without some sort of reversal, this is enough for me to deal with the mess of doing that.
I've tried Google Meet, Jitsi, and some other things, but Zoom is the only service that my 6+ year old laptop can handle for more than 5 min without nosediving into 100% CPU usage and freezing up. Does anyone have other suggestions? Either for other services or for troubleshooting Jitsi?
https://goteam.video/ (Disclaimer/Plug: I work for the company that built this). It's WebRTC based but should work fine in Chrome, Safari, Firefox and latest Edge (ie the Chrome variant). We've just added optional end-to-end encryption for multiparty sessions based on the recent "Insertable Streams" feature available in Chrome M83+.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#270I wonder if we'll hear the "they're a private company, they can do what they want, it is only censorship if the government does it" routine. I remember about a decade ago when certain parties were so concerned with voices being silenced and "erasure." The same people are now cheering when Facebook, Twitter, and the like shut down certain kinds of speech, with great discretion as to how the "rules" are implemented. Th…
This xkcd comic didn't age well: https://xkcd.com/1357/. Liberals used to cheerfully link to this whenever a conservative was deplatformed. I don't think they'll trot out this xkcd anymore when their favored people are being censored.