A collection of videos of police brutality • Hacker News Board

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by SpicyLemonZest » Sun, May 31, 2020, 11:33 PM UTC

arkadiyt wrote: post #250

nullc wrote: post #142

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> https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department. Is it your intention to discredit claims of police brutality by repeating apparently false ones?

> I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department. That is only one of the reports in that lengthy tweet thread. And it's not baseless, here is the evidence for it: https://twitter.com/dyllyp/status/1266166402521522176 Here's the tweet where the St. Paul police department denied it: https:/…

It seems entirely possible for the department to verify the whereabouts of one of their officers in 2.5 hours, especially if malicious lies which will put him in danger are spreading.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by scarface74 » Sun, May 31, 2020, 11:33 PM UTC

scarmig wrote: post #222

GiorgioG wrote: post #193

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> The more recent history suggests that the people who wish to deter or educate the cops are significantly outgunned Then these young people (in the U.S.) should stop fighting for gun control when it only works against them in times such as these. Can you imagine how these protesters would be treated if most of them were carrying a rifle? Could the police roll out tanks in response? Sure, but I do not believe the U.S…

The idea that the situation would be improved by the protesters being able to shoot police is... Questionable. The better solution is unarmed police: billions of people live in localities where most police they encounter don't have guns and may not be even authorized to make physical contact in the case of a conflict. The idea that all police must carry guns and must be ready to use violence "to protect us" is one of…

I wouldn’t go that far. The US has so many guns it would be suicide for police not to have them.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by wonderwonder » Sun, May 31, 2020, 11:35 PM UTC

corrupt_measure wrote: post #239

whatever1 wrote: post #217

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The outrage started not because of the video that was undisputable evidence of police violence, it started because the police did not immediately arrest the officers who committed and helped with the murder of a person. Had Minneapolis have to burn to the ground, so that they finally arrest the murderer policeman?

Ignoring for a moment that the position the police had George in is standard for restraining a person and that George may have died from underlying heart conditions... Without the broader narrative that police disproportionately kill blacks then the killing would not have sparked riots or protests. In fact a white man was killed very recently on almost the exact same manner yet there were no riots or calls to action.…

‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by Lariscus » Sun, May 31, 2020, 11:35 PM UTC

alexashka wrote: post #237

Lariscus wrote: post #214

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Are you actually arguing for eugenics?

No. I'm saying that anyone who gasps at how "unethical" other human beings are, wants eugenics, unless they're a real idiot who can't connect the dots to see that the only way to "fix" unethical behaviour is eugenics. I should say, most people who use the word "unethical" are of the real idiot variety. Arriving at eugenics as a potential solution to most of people's problems should automatically grant you a million d…

I see did not get that from you original comment but please enlighten me on how demanding ethical behaviour from software engineers leads to a eugenics program.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by ookdatnog » Sun, May 31, 2020, 11:35 PM UTC

downerending wrote: post #246

ookdatnog wrote: post #202

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You're misidentifying what the core problem is with police brutality: it's not just about relative frequency, it's about how the justice system responds to it. As a society we give police a monopoly on civilian violence, it is only reasonable to expect the holders of that power to be held to the highest possible standards. But the justice system signals the exact opposite, by systematially protecting even the worst c…

I agree that the situation should continue to be improved. I doubt that websites like this will help. Riots will definitely not help. The cause of righteousness has been set back a generation in a few days.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never implied in any way that I think the situation is improving. I'm not sure what part of my post you're actually agreeing with.

I cannot see any downsides to systematically documenting instances of police brutality and demanding justice for each instance. It seems entirely just to me.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate » Sun, May 31, 2020, 11:36 PM UTC

aspenmayer wrote: post #232

devmunchies wrote: post #172

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Agree. I wish this stayed on reddit and Twitter. I hate seeing this kind of hot topic stuff here.

Technology has to intersect with society at some point. A guy who works for Google made some posts on Facebook and Egypt joined the Arab Spring. I can’t think of a better board than HN to discuss the changing implications of technology platforms. I saw a live broadcast on one of the 24-hour live cable news channels last night. Everyone had their phones out recording everything from every angle. The technology is beco…

I agree with you. We as a people have eyes that cannot lie and remember everything. We are no longer in a time when things can be lied about or twisted. It's time that we started using that power to make the world a fairer place

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by chance_state » Sun, May 31, 2020, 11:37 PM UTC

Keverw wrote: post #157

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #95

Remember a few years ago it came out that Apple filed a patent to disable cameras in a localised area. Speculation was so that law enforcement could disable cameras during protests and riots. In the next few days/weeks, watch if people start saying that they're in these hot zones and their camera phones stop working

Wow really? Sounds like something that could be abused... But I know I seen some posts before talking about someone wanted to have a way to disable phones during concerts due to copyright concerns... But seems like with some things it starts out with one goal and then keeps getting expanded and expanded a little bit at a time.

Do you think the police would just like, abuse their power? Surely not.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate » Sun, May 31, 2020, 11:37 PM UTC

downerending wrote: post #242

rolae wrote: post #156

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To document single incidents of brutality has value. The documentation of one single act of police brutality has value. As the police has a monopoly on the legal use of violence they have to be held accountable. This is like saying building a registry/counting murders has no value and brings no insight. And this has nothing todo with condoning violence of protesters, which is just as wrong as police brutality. The is…

It confirms existence, but we already knew that. The officer in question has been fired, arrested, and charged. That would seem to contradict the "never held accountable".

Sadly this was one case. There are many others across the globe that happen and nobody is ever held accountable

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by scarface74 » Sun, May 31, 2020, 11:38 PM UTC

pbourke wrote: post #256

quietthrow wrote: post #198

This post was number one on HN. Now it’s nowhere to be found on HN’s pages unless you search for it. I happen to remember the posters handle and was able to dig up the post. The post is not even flagged back so am curious why did it disappear?

It's been flagged to oblivion so as not to pierce HN's tender bubble. Should have mentioned which JS framework was used to build the site so the post would stay on the front page.

Exactly. HN caring more about wanting government to force Apple to allow side loading than police misconduct shows why you basically need rioting to make people pay attention.

A football player kneeling peacefully as a stand against police misconduct and being called a son of a bitch by the President doesn’t get a peep from HN. People start rioting gets attention.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by Nextgrid » Sun, May 31, 2020, 11:40 PM UTC

GiorgioG wrote: post #193

sneak wrote: post #153

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I wish that were true, but the complete history of policing in America suggests that the police there exist primarily to protect the land and facilities of the ownership class, and have never had nor needed any consent of those outside of the gentry. The more recent history suggests that the people who wish to deter or educate the cops are significantly outgunned, and the brutality will continue until such time that…

> The more recent history suggests that the people who wish to deter or educate the cops are significantly outgunned Then these young people (in the U.S.) should stop fighting for gun control when it only works against them in times such as these. Can you imagine how these protesters would be treated if most of them were carrying a rifle? Could the police roll out tanks in response? Sure, but I do not believe the U.S…

> Can you imagine how these protesters would be treated if most of them were carrying a rifle?

There are 2 outcomes here:

1) You get shot immediately by the police, chaos ensues but at the end of the day you're still dead.

2) You shoot them, harm/kill them and if their colleagues don't shoot you back there's still more than enough proof out there to bring you a lifetime of legal troubles, especially considering "self defense" laws don't apply when it's against police.

In both cases, you're either dead or in the shit and nothing gets fixed. The US already proved that they couldn't give a shit about police brutality (otherwise we wouldn't have these protests to begin with) so more civilian kills on the leaderboard is just a drop in the bucket at this point.