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Re: Federal Reserve balance sheet trends

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I'm a little late, but I want to answer for the sake of completeness. >>"Honestly I don't know what point you're trying to make, or what deficits or surpluses have to do with anything." You say "Inflation is caused by additional dollars chasing the same number of goods". We agree with that (it could be a supply problem too, but that's another subject). Now, it seems to me that we agree also that a government deficit…

> My question is: if a government deficit is adding money to the economy, what a government surplus is doing? That's the meaning of "taxes destroy money". It's rare for the federal government to run a surplus, but it did have one for four years straight in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001[1]. During that that time, the monetary base increased 32%[2] and the M2 money supply increase 23%[3]. No matter how you look at it, des…

You're forgetting that the government doesn't _control_ the whole money supply. The government only controls how much it itself creates or deletes on net.

Most money is created by commercial banks. As the demand for credit expands the money supply expands, and as credit is repaid, the money supply decreases. This is going on all the time.

Re: Federal Reserve balance sheet trends

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In the end it's still a debt. The nominal value in USD may not be all that important, since the Fed can manipulate it more or less at will, but you're still borrowing productivity from the future—by consuming capital—and that debt will be repaid one way or another.

The fallacy here is assuming that capital is finite over all time. It's not. Capital is created. Of course not all economic activity creates capital at the same rate, and I do definitely agree that the type of economic activity you get during and after a recession with massive QE is likely of a lower quality than what you'd get otherwise. But it may still be that more capital (wealth) is created this way then if you…

I suspect you may have intended to reply to a different comment, but since you're here…

> The fallacy here is assuming that capital is finite over all time.

Capital is "finite"—as opposed to "infinite", "unlimited", "superabundant"—but I agree that it isn't fixed. There is no law of conservation of capital; it can be created or destroyed.

With that said, taking on debt is not necessarily a bad thing; it depends on how you use it, and whether you have a viable plan to repay the debt out of future earnings. QE fails on both counts; there's no real direction beyond "inject more money into the economy", and no viable repayment plan.

> I also disagree with the premise that recessions/depressions are good because they clear out dead or dying companies.

I'm not sure whose premise that was, but I would also disagree. Clearing out underperforming companies would be a silver lining at best, and not enough to make recessions or depressions "good". In any case the companies hit the hardest are not necessarily the ones with marginal profits but rather the ones which are incapable of adapting to changing circumstances. That can include old companies set in their ways as well as new, experimental ones which depend on emerging opportunities.

Re: Federal Reserve balance sheet trends

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It was about ~$20/oz when it started around 1900 and the government claimed ~$35/oz at the end. That is about 50% value loss, maybe a bit worse, in the 70 years of the gold standard. $35 to $1,650 looks a lot more like a collapse in value. And that is after the demand for gold presumably plummeted because it wasn't official money any more, and mining got a lot more efficient through the 70s to the 90s. Maybe the Asia…

OK, let me try this again: You can't measure dollar inflation by the gold price when the dollar is pegged to gold. And, gold was pegged to $20/oz. Then at some point in the Depression, it was moved to $35/oz in a step function. It wasn't gradual. And I argue that the actual value of gold wasn't $35/oz at the end of the gold standard. That's why the value shot up so quickly when the market was allowed to determine the…

If I had $35 US dollars I was entitled to an ounce of gold. The same amount would now buy 2% of an ounce of gold.

I'm more than happy to agree it is not a precise comparison. A lot has changed over the last 50 years. But even after leaving a reasonable allowance for that, someone arguing that the move off the gold standard would destroy the value of the dollar appears to be (100-2)=98% correct. If you like we can agree that the starting price was $150/oz in market prices, in which case we can agree they were 90% right.

The US government has an inflation policy; they explicitly want to reduce the value of the dollar at a rapid pace. The government is publicly on the record as thinking that is a good outcome. So maybe they would have destroyed the value of the dollar even if it was on a gold standard. That seems likely to me.

If someone was arguing that the unit of trade wouldn't be called the US dollar they were wrong. If they argued it wouldn't be used as the international unit of account they were very wrong. If they argued it would be quick then they are laughably wrong. By pretty much any other measure they were mostly right. Whether this was a bad outcome or not is debated, but given the collapse of real wage growth vs steadily growing productivity after 1970s I don't see how it can be argued that inflation is working. Working to do what, get everyone indebted to banks? High real GDP growth is good for the averages but hasn't done very much for real median wages for example.

Re: Federal Reserve balance sheet trends

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post #263

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OK, let me try this again: You can't measure dollar inflation by the gold price when the dollar is pegged to gold. And, gold was pegged to $20/oz. Then at some point in the Depression, it was moved to $35/oz in a step function. It wasn't gradual. And I argue that the actual value of gold wasn't $35/oz at the end of the gold standard. That's why the value shot up so quickly when the market was allowed to determine the…

If I had $35 US dollars I was entitled to an ounce of gold. The same amount would now buy 2% of an ounce of gold. I'm more than happy to agree it is not a precise comparison. A lot has changed over the last 50 years. But even after leaving a reasonable allowance for that, someone arguing that the move off the gold standard would destroy the value of the dollar appears to be (100-2)=98% correct. If you like we can agr…

> If I had $35 US dollars I was entitled to an ounce of gold. The same amount would now buy 2% of an ounce of gold.

If you had $35 US, you theoretically had the equivalent of an ounce of gold. You couldn't actually buy the gold, though, not until (IIRC) 1965.

> I'm more than happy to agree it is not a precise comparison. A lot has changed over the last 50 years. But even after leaving a reasonable allowance for that, someone arguing that the move off the gold standard would destroy the value of the dollar appears to be (100-2)=98% correct. If you like we can agree that the starting price was $150/oz in market prices, in which case we can agree they were 90% right.

Sure, I'd go with that. But that also means that there was (150-35)/150 = 77% destruction of the value during the time when we were nominally on the gold standard, but people couldn't actually use the dollars to buy gold.

If you wanted to argue that it wasn't a real gold standard when people couldn't use the dollars to buy gold, I would agree with you. I wouldn't even complain about "no true Scotsman", because the difference seems to me to be a crucial one.

> The US government has an inflation policy; they explicitly want to reduce the value of the dollar at a rapid pace. The government is publicly on the record as thinking that is a good outcome.

Well, they say they're targeting 2% inflation. To me, that's eroding the value of the dollar, but not "at a rapid pace" - I saw 14% inflation in the late 1970s. I will admit that even 2% inflation adds up rather shockingly when you look at 50 years, though.

> So maybe they would have destroyed the value of the dollar even if it was on a gold standard. That seems likely to me.

If they had a real gold standard, I don't think they could have - they would have hemorrhaged gold until they had none left, and then they would have had to give up the pretense. But a "gold standard, but you can't actually convert" let them inflate while pretending that they weren't.

> Whether this was a bad outcome or not is debated, but given the collapse of real wage growth vs steadily growing productivity after 1970s I don't see how it can be argued that inflation is working. Working to do what, get everyone indebted to banks? High real GDP growth is good for the averages but hasn't done very much for real median wages for example.

I see it like this: After World War II, there were cycles of prosperity and recession, but each cycle was at a higher rate of inflation than the previous (comparing the same points in the cycle, obviously). Then in 1979, the Fed changed strategy. Since then, each cycle has had lower inflation, but also a lower fraction of the population employed. I think (but cannot prove) that the lower fraction of employed workers has something to do with the lack of wage growth.

As to what the Fed should do differently... that's way past my level of understanding.

Re: Federal Reserve balance sheet trends

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Well, first, I suspect that Keynes would be ashamed of what post-keynesians have made of his insights. Anyway, you are implying that the current system is Keynesian, and that there are people advocating to change to a MMT system. But the current system is already MMT. So, to answer your question, for accountability, you could just keep in place the current way of doing things (or find some alternative) but recognize…

>>" People aren't interested in MMT because it is a neat model; but because if we use that model then it becomes very hard to explain that policies are wasteful uses of time and stuff. It is very easy to make a taxpayer understand why government waste is bad. Quite hard to make people take an interest when nobody knows if they are net givers or takers" > So, basically, what you are saying is "let's lie to people" so…

It was not my intention to attack anybody but, what roenxi is saying is that, people interested in MMT (like me), is not interested in understanding how the system work, but in lying to people. So, yes, very much not cool.

Re: Federal Reserve balance sheet trends

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post #243

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I'm not sure what your point is? The comment I was replying to said "we know this is always true" I said, actually, economists aren't really sure about that issue. If your concern is that economists aren't good at making certain predictions, then guess what, we agree. Economists are also acutely aware of this fact and most of the ones involved in actual economic research are careful not to overstate the implications…

I know online arguments can be super frustrating, but can you please not be a jerk in your posts here, regardless of how wrong other people or you feel they are? You posted something like half a dozen swipes in this thread that broke that site guidelines. This is the sort of thing that degrades discussion badly because the toxins compound. It sounds like you know more about this field than others. That's great—but th…

Sure, sorry!
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