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> Instagram does the same thing No, it does not. There is a big difference between: - showing you unconnected content you are likely to engage with - having rules enforced with the help of human reviewers to prevent any user from getting recommendations with people deemed ugly/poor/etc.
I mean, if it’s the same result does it matter if it’s human or artificial moderation?
TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Instagram does the same thing No, it does not. There is a big difference between: - showing you unconnected content you are likely to engage with - having rules enforced with the help of human reviewers to prevent any user from getting recommendations with people deemed ugly/poor/etc.
I mean, if it’s the same result does it matter if it’s human or artificial moderation?
The content you see depends on your interests. Making this up: if you regularly engage with topics that have a majority of fat people posting, say weight loss strategies, you will see a lot of fat people in Instagram Explore.
It's the difference between:
- Instagram: "I mostly see beautiful people" (because that's the content I and many users engage with).
- Tiktok: "I never see ugly people" (because the platform has a guideline that prevents that content from being shown to me)
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I am unsure how this is relevant. "protected class" is a legal term, it has nothing to do with morality. In addition to that I doubt that refusing to sell a cake to someone because they are ugly would be considered an acceptable thing in a court of law.
It is allowed for by courts for hiring decisions when hiring sales people. And things like commission based pay means it happens even if not explicit. Aside from beauty, if you do things to signal you are poor as a luxury sales person, I’m not sure the company is required to keep you on, right or wrong.
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Instagram does the same thing No, it does not. There is a big difference between: - showing you unconnected content you are likely to engage with - having rules enforced with the help of human reviewers to prevent any user from getting recommendations with people deemed ugly/poor/etc.
I mean, if it’s the same result does it matter if it’s human or artificial moderation?
Half of my explore is memes and infographics because that’s what I interact with a lot.
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, if it’s the same result does it matter if it’s human or artificial moderation?
It's not the same result. Ugly/fat/poor people can make engaging content and that will be recommended on Instagram. The content you see depends on your interests. Making this up: if you regularly engage with topics that have a majority of fat people posting, say weight loss strategies, you will see a lot of fat people in Instagram Explore. It's the difference between: - Instagram: "I mostly see beautiful people" (bec…
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#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, if it’s the same result does it matter if it’s human or artificial moderation?
It's not the same result. Ugly/fat/poor people can make engaging content and that will be recommended on Instagram. The content you see depends on your interests. Making this up: if you regularly engage with topics that have a majority of fat people posting, say weight loss strategies, you will see a lot of fat people in Instagram Explore. It's the difference between: - Instagram: "I mostly see beautiful people" (bec…
Suppose 10 users on average interact with 2 non-ugly persons and 1 ugly person. People like commenting on the non-ugly people's content with "wow so pretty!" and "that's awesome! ", etc, etc while ugly people don't get as many comments and maybe even receive neutral to non-positive comments.
Now a new person signs up. They get recommend non-ugly people in their feed since that's more popular based on views and interactions.
Another new person signs up and they get the same recommendation, and so on.
After 100 new sign ups, the recommendation engine has 'learned' that majority of people prefer interacting with non-ugly people.
Another new user signs up and all they see in non-ugly people recommendations.
The end result is pretty much the same. Ugly people will get pushed out enough either by the programmatic learning engine that becomes over trained and biased, or by manual reviewers that filter content based on data that shows that non-ugly people bring in more users, otherwise they'd promote ugly people content if that was driving more interactions.
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It's how sexual selection works in general throughout the animal kingdom. You can teach yourself to behave otherwise, but you're hardwired to behave a certain way. Humans exist within a fitness gradient and we naturally evaluate other humans according to how they fit within it. I don't like it, but we're bloody animals.
You're assuming a gradient of only one dimension.
I wonder how much is genetic and how much is learned or conditioned.
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I mean, if it’s the same result does it matter if it’s human or artificial moderation?
It's not the same result. Ugly/fat/poor people can make engaging content and that will be recommended on Instagram. The content you see depends on your interests. Making this up: if you regularly engage with topics that have a majority of fat people posting, say weight loss strategies, you will see a lot of fat people in Instagram Explore. It's the difference between: - Instagram: "I mostly see beautiful people" (bec…
That's not what happens to me. Instagram consistently pushes model-type people to me even though I hardly ever interact with those types.
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#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not the same result. Ugly/fat/poor people can make engaging content and that will be recommended on Instagram. The content you see depends on your interests. Making this up: if you regularly engage with topics that have a majority of fat people posting, say weight loss strategies, you will see a lot of fat people in Instagram Explore. It's the difference between: - Instagram: "I mostly see beautiful people" (bec…
The difference clearly in the mostly and never!
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#270How is this different from nightclubs having a high bar to entry? I am not saying this is an ethical thing to do, I am saying these apps are no different from nightclubs and they gotta do what they gotta do to survive. And no matter what you may say, humans prefer non ugly people over ugly people. I am sorry but this is simply how humans work. If you disagree, then you are a hypocrite. So should high end nightclubs b…
I gather that TikTok claimed to be inclusive. Nightclubs almost by definition don't.