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U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Those wildly successful US companies have Canadian offices too, usually ;)

For some reason, they generally seem to have a policy of paying significantly less for the same role in their Canadian office.

Once Canada starts developing those trillion dollar home brew companies that deliver a product most of the world uses at a high margin, I’m sure Canadian salaries will go up to match.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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That's what I meant by relative terms. Relative to cost of living, American tech workers get paid much more than any tech workers anywhere else in the world. American tech workers get paid close to American doctors and get to enjoy doctor-level prosperity. Canadian doctors, in relative terms, get paid about as much as American doctors and get to enjoy similar levels of prosperity as them. Canadian tech workers, howev…

>Canadian doctors, in relative terms, get paid about as much as American doctors and get to enjoy similar levels of prosperity as them. This is again incorrect. Canada has a significant issue with brain drain in medicine as grads, like their CS counterparts, head south for better salaries and a better quality of life.

It used to, but this is no longer the case:

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/189/26/E898

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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As unfortunate as this is, I think this only applies to Indians and Chinese. I was surprised to see Yoluk did not want to bother applying to jobs in the US. I am a foreign person from ROW (Rest of the World) in the US studying with F1 visa and trying to immigrate here via employment based options. I have friends who also immigrated to Germany and Britain. The process is definitely easier and guaranteed there but for…

I keep being head hunted to work on SF/SV. And my reply is basically automatic and always the same: "Due to US external policy and cost of life I can't see it being financially practical to move. Although, I would gladly consider any remote position." I think the immigration complexity is the lesser problem there. My research based on housing, school, transport and food tells me it looks like absurdly expensive. To b…

The bay is a great area if you are a young, healthy person without kids.

My colleges take their SV salaries and retreat to somewhere else when they want a family.

I think Canada is a better place to raise a family. Or, many other countries are probably comparable (or better).

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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As unfortunate as this is, I think this only applies to Indians and Chinese. I was surprised to see Yoluk did not want to bother applying to jobs in the US. I am a foreign person from ROW (Rest of the World) in the US studying with F1 visa and trying to immigrate here via employment based options. I have friends who also immigrated to Germany and Britain. The process is definitely easier and guaranteed there but for…

I keep being head hunted to work on SF/SV. And my reply is basically automatic and always the same: "Due to US external policy and cost of life I can't see it being financially practical to move. Although, I would gladly consider any remote position." I think the immigration complexity is the lesser problem there. My research based on housing, school, transport and food tells me it looks like absurdly expensive. To b…

>To be able to even consider to move there I would need a salary bump of 3x-5x. No way this will ever happen.

You'd be surprised. Granted it was over a period of 4 years, but I did hit that 5x.

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As unfortunate as this is, I think this only applies to Indians and Chinese. I was surprised to see Yoluk did not want to bother applying to jobs in the US. I am a foreign person from ROW (Rest of the World) in the US studying with F1 visa and trying to immigrate here via employment based options. I have friends who also immigrated to Germany and Britain. The process is definitely easier and guaranteed there but for…

F1 makes things easier, but if you didn't come in as a student, things get much trickier. Most of the workflows you mention don't apply because it assumes you're already here to get your EB-2 or H1-B.

Even getting H1-B is challenging, especially as someone freshly graduated ("entry level positions do not qualify as skilled labour" is what the USCIS told me).

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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The drop from 92% to 75% isn’t the complete story, or even the more important story. The real problem is all the other nonsense people have to deal with. We have a really great employee who single handedly wrote most of the company’s build infrastructure, and was happy in the US on his H1B because while it requires renewal every 3 years, he was well paid and enjoying his life. Until about a year and a half ago when h…

Why your company and employee didn't start H1B to green card conversion process?

Because permanent residency (green card) visa is based on the country of birth, according to this bulletin, some categories haven’t get any progress in 11 years. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/v...

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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As unfortunate as this is, I think this only applies to Indians and Chinese. I was surprised to see Yoluk did not want to bother applying to jobs in the US. I am a foreign person from ROW (Rest of the World) in the US studying with F1 visa and trying to immigrate here via employment based options. I have friends who also immigrated to Germany and Britain. The process is definitely easier and guaranteed there but for…

I keep being head hunted to work on SF/SV. And my reply is basically automatic and always the same: "Due to US external policy and cost of life I can't see it being financially practical to move. Although, I would gladly consider any remote position." I think the immigration complexity is the lesser problem there. My research based on housing, school, transport and food tells me it looks like absurdly expensive. To b…

May I ask what you do to attract SV recruiters? I can't catch me any of them. :)

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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As unfortunate as this is, I think this only applies to Indians and Chinese. I was surprised to see Yoluk did not want to bother applying to jobs in the US. I am a foreign person from ROW (Rest of the World) in the US studying with F1 visa and trying to immigrate here via employment based options. I have friends who also immigrated to Germany and Britain. The process is definitely easier and guaranteed there but for…

I keep being head hunted to work on SF/SV. And my reply is basically automatic and always the same: "Due to US external policy and cost of life I can't see it being financially practical to move. Although, I would gladly consider any remote position." I think the immigration complexity is the lesser problem there. My research based on housing, school, transport and food tells me it looks like absurdly expensive. To b…

No joke. My team has three branches:

  *  Sunnyvale, CA 
  *  Bentonville, AR  
  *  Bangalore, India 
We regularly will gossip about best/worst aspects of each of them. My mind is blown at how much they have to pay to live in the greater SF area. 3-4k for rent on an apartment for a small family. My mortgage is 800 a month. A mortgage with a yard big enough for gardens, a bee hive, compost, a couple of trees, basketball goal, fenced in yard, etc....

Of course they get to poke fun at how they cross two timezones and go back 3 decades culturally in time when they fly out to visit. ;-)

The Bangalore folk poke fun at the US based ones at how cold/wet/expensive/boring we all are. It's all in good fun but it really does hammer in how home is where you currently are.

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Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Amazon has 1300 people in Toronto, nearly all devs. For an sde2, 170k CAD total comp (salary + RSUs) is pretty typical. Vancouver office had 2200 people, similar situation.

Currently the exchange rate is .77, so $170k CAD is $128,025.30 USD. That's nothin to shake a stick at, but by NYC, DC, Seattle, LA, SF, etc. rates it is middling. Meanwhile, SDE2 at Amazon or others is like $200K USD, at least according to HN a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18439144 Seattle is expensive as hell these days, but Vancouver still blows it out of the water, and Toronto isn't cheap either…

Sure, I'm not saying I couldn't make more if I left Toronto. As a Canadian, it would be easy for me to do that. Most of my office could easily get jobs in the USA paying more. Even those with potential visa issues have a much easier time once they're established in Canada.

But we don't.

The marginal increase in my pay is not enough for me to want to move to the USA. The anti-immigrant rhetoric and the laws that follow that rhetoric make it not a place I, or many others, aspire to move to. We're happier to make less money, but feel more secure and safe (in many ways).

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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That is 2017. What happened in the last 4 years has a lagging and lasting impact

In the last 4 years the stock markets is up over 50% and unemployment has plummeted. This has resulted in salaries and total comp going even higher for everyone, and insanely higher for engineers. Living in the US likely became more desirable in the last 4 years

Do you have a source for salary and total comp spiking over the past four years?

Because as a software engineer with a lot of software engineer friends, none of us have seen that.

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