"I kept waiting for the “confirm your email address” email to arrive but it never did"
really John? you expected a confirmation email to arrive? also, Google and Facebook don't require a confirmation email either
How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?
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110% - Google wouldn’t let me use Safari for youtube TV or for Stadia. The open web is a total mirage.
Goes both ways. It shouldn't be too surprising that people don't bother testing against the only browser that isn't just a download away. For all of IE's/Edge's faults (and there are tons), at least they offer public VM images.
> people don't bother testing against the only browser that isn't just a download away
Considering that a) Stadia officially supports macOS and b) most Google engineers use Macs, I don't think that's really a valid argument here. They just want people to use Chrome, full stop.
Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?
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Apple continues to not give any care whatsoever to anything outside their walled garden. For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Obviously iMessage and FaceTime are complete no-gos outside their walled garden too. This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly…
> This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly as possible, to force people in. And once you're in, they make it as hard as possible to leave. I call old wives tales. I'm a close-to-20-years Apple user. The walled garden has never been a problem, more of a strength (integration, cohesion, etc). Especially today where everything is a subscription, there has never been LESS of a walle…
Cohesion does not force you to lock your software to a single device. Why can Google Duo be available on iOS and Android, while FaceTime is locked to iOS? You know full well it's to force you and your family to stay inside the garden and stop you from leaving. Has nothing to do with cohesion.
> I'm a close-to-20-years Apple user. The walled garden has never been a problem.
Obviously it's not a problem to people inside the garden, that's the whole point. It's meant to be a problem to people who are outside, to get them to come in.
As someone who has never had any Apple product, every time I come anywhere near anything by Apple, it's nothing but issues. As mentioned above, any time I'm linked an iTunes album page, I can't do shit with it. I'm not going to install iTunes just to listen and purchase the album. Is it cohesion to force me to download and install a program to purchase an album?
Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?
#264We have an on-going issue with Apple's protections going back almost a decade to when they started mucking about with 3rd Party Cookies. This isn't entirely their fault, blame also lies with the vendor we've chosen and our architecture for SSO. That being said, there are valid use cases for tracking users across websites. I work for a nonprofit that does fundraising using every imaginable PaaS or SaaS platform as wel…
> That being said, there are valid use cases for tracking users across websites. I work for a nonprofit ... Could you explain "valid use" more? I hope that you're not implying that we should allow all non-profits to track people across websites so they can do fundraising.
At WordPress.com, we have millions of sites. Having users be logged in so they can ‘like’ a post or comment or write new content is kinda important. That uses APIs and third party cookies (first party, but the API is a third-party from the perspective of the site they’re on). We are constantly dealing with Safari thinking it’s “tracking”. Disclaimer, we do track things, but only on admin pages, not users’ sites.
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And what company does care about the open web, no strings attached? Google and Facebook sure as hell don’t. I’m not going to apologise for Apple, but I thought this sign in feature was iOS specific. They’re offering to proxy your email on their own account and buying an iPhone pays for that. It’s a privacy feature so that you can protect your personal email, it’s not federated auth. A better example is that I think t…
110% - Google wouldn’t let me use Safari for youtube TV or for Stadia. The open web is a total mirage.
Most Google apps are available on both iOS and Android unlike Apple products. Compare Duo to FaceTime, Hangouts to iMessage, etc.
Stadia is still very early tech, it doesn't even support 90% of Android phones, let alone other devices and browsers. YTTV works on iOS, but yes the lack of Safari support is a bit shitty. Still, most of the limitation are technical, not forced.
Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?
#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple continues to not give any care whatsoever to anything outside their walled garden. For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Obviously iMessage and FaceTime are complete no-gos outside their walled garden too. This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly…
For this and many examples I think it's more ignoring those use-cases than maliciously blocking them. > For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. I'm confused what the use case for this is? > Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Keynote streaming has had a long, weird history over the past decades. Even when Quicktime was dominant,…
> I'm confused what the use case for this is?
I want to buy an album by an obscure artist that decided to only put their songs on iTunes. There is literally no way for me to by said album without downloading and installing a giant program.
They've seen fixed their web store and also split iTunes into pieces, but that was an issue for many years.
> Keynote streaming has had a long, weird history over the past decades
Sure but I'm not talking about decades ago, but even 2 years ago. In 2017.
> I just don't think they cared that much about getting it to any home users live.
Right, that's my point, they don't care about anyone outside their ecosystem.
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In most sensible authentication flows, your email address is not the primary key on your account, but rather just a credential with a link to an account, where an account HAS MANY credentials. You can usually "Sign in with X" and then "link" your now-existing account to credentials from "Sign in with Y" and "Sign in with Z."
That doesn't work if the email address the service knows as you, is a fake proxy at Apple.
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#268I just tried to register a new account at Wordpress but it's not working. Any other sites that you know?
I work at WordPress, what wasn’t working?
Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?
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In most sensible authentication flows, your email address is not the primary key on your account, but rather just a credential with a link to an account, where an account HAS MANY credentials. You can usually "Sign in with X" and then "link" your now-existing account to credentials from "Sign in with Y" and "Sign in with Z."
That doesn't work if the email address the service knows as you, is a fake proxy at Apple.
It works as long as you add the second credential before losing access to the first.
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That doesn't work if the email address the service knows as you, is a fake proxy at Apple.
It works as long as you add the second credential before losing access to the first.
Fair. Still a central point of failure, but not much (any?) worse than the alternatives.