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Re: Programming languages are being deleted from Wikipedia

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I calculated that each article might cost them a thousandth of a cent to store. Let's assume it's Enterprise Grade Storage and quintuple the price. Now it costs them a breath-taking five one thousandths of a cent to store.

Would you be willing to pay me five one thousandths of a cent for every article I could create?

No, because of a clear agency problem. But I'd be prepared to donate the several dozen thousandths of a cent required to keep the deleted articles.

Re: Programming languages are being deleted from Wikipedia

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When a graduate student, a researcher, spends so much effort in order to delete knowledge (or, more precisely, hide it), I find it mind-boggling. It goes against the very essence of science.

But it's right in line with the worst petty academic pissing matches.

Like the California math professor who was recently arrested for repeatedly peeing on his colleague's office door.

Re: Programming languages are being deleted from Wikipedia

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There's lots of pages on Wikipedia that are basically self-promotion, or descriptions of inconsequential "news" events, or "micro-celebrities," or moderately rich people, or other stuff that will have no relevance in 10 years, except to people with OCPD who like to hoard information.

You're arguing that many pages in Wikipedia aren't useful . I don't think anyone is debating that, but are these pages actually harmful ?

Yes, some are harmful in that promotion disguised as objectivity is misleading.

That's a whole separate issue from notability, though. On this and many other issues I think the notability bar is set too high. I'm much rather see a wikipedia page on an obscure language than not, and I have read a few in the past.

Re: Programming languages are being deleted from Wikipedia

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No, of course I know that :( The problem was that the papers mentioned were either 1) not about the subject in question or 2) not cited enough to count. Hopefully your professors also drummed into you that anyone can write a paper and send it to a conference -- the kicker is if it actually makes an impact. Isn't that more-or-less the definition of notability? None of the articles I nominated for deletion had any reli…

From the tone of his posts I can already tell he's a smug little b . A cynic would think that he's doing all this deletionism so that when his own pet project FRENETIC is done, it'll be easier to distinguish from other languages.

Accidental upvote

Re: Programming languages are being deleted from Wikipedia

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There's lots of pages on Wikipedia that are basically self-promotion, or descriptions of inconsequential "news" events, or "micro-celebrities," or moderately rich people, or other stuff that will have no relevance in 10 years, except to people with OCPD who like to hoard information.

You're arguing that many pages in Wikipedia aren't useful . I don't think anyone is debating that, but are these pages actually harmful ?

I like to click on links in Wikipedia articles to find out more about things related to the main article. I consider wasting my time harmful.

Re: Programming languages are being deleted from Wikipedia

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HN people, while I whole-heartedly disagree with chrismonsanto's actions here, let's not do any personal attacks. From wikipedia: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greys_Law ) "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

Link broken. I thought it was deleted fixed link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greys_Law

Nope, it's gone.

Re: Programming languages are being deleted from Wikipedia

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Why not just formalize WikiProject rankings? Instead of being deleted, all articles with verifiable, independent sources should be graded on quality and importance by those involved in the relevant WikiProject(s). I think exposing that kind of metadata would be really, really useful.

I think the biggest problem I have with the notability guidelines is that none of the editors (pedantic as they tend to be) understand what the word "guideline" means. Most of the AfD discussions center around WP:N. Yet notability is a scarily vague and personal criteria. In this case, the original deletion discussion appeared to be 100% in favor of keeping the articles in question with only Monsanto against. The onl…

Can you please not use undefined Wikipedia terminology here? I have no idea what AfD and WP:N are referring to.

Re: Programming languages are being deleted from Wikipedia

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Here's the main offender: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Christopher_Monsanto One of his arguments is that these languages are often only mentioned in conference proceedings. How you get to be a PhD student in computer science without realising that conference proceedings are the leading distribution mechanism for knowledge in the CS research world is a mystery. I may only be a humble honours student, but the cent…

I am a humble cs undergraduate student too but I can already tell that PhD != Bright.

Re: Programming languages are being deleted from Wikipedia

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>"...you're going to be a professor, a profession devoted to the advancement of human knowledge and educating laymen in this knowledge" Correction: a professor is a profession devoted to advancing human knowledge and then locking that knowledge behind expensive paywalls so that only elites with institutional subscriptions can afford to read it. Academia couldn't care less about the knowledge available to the average…

...and this is why almost all academics put their papers as PDFs for free on their web sites. Have you even looked? It is times like this when I wish there was an appropriate emoticon to express an eye roll.

Completely off-topic, but there is: e_e

Use your newfound powers of exasperation wisely, my friend.

Re: Programming languages are being deleted from Wikipedia

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Unilaterally? Anyone can !vote on an AFD.

I should make a tool that periodically scans the articles for deletion and always votes NO. I could allow anyone else to use this tool as well. Then I think the real voice of the Internet would show that we don't support deletionism!

Voting against deletion means nothing without some reasoning.
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