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ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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I was somewhat recently diagnosed with ADD and the diagnosis has truly changed my life. I, for the first time, in roughly 12 years of writing software professionally, am able finish a project enough to open source it-- and I am days away from being able to do so. It feels insanely good. Like something I've only dreamed of as silly as that is, and I don't even care if folks use it (it's not that good), but it's the fa…

The flip side is being stuck in a high paying job that requires me to take stims and feeling like I have to in order to keep making good money and it really sucks to be honest, the older you get the more of a toll it takes and I am afraid that I am shaving years off of my life just for money but I have bills to pay D:

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Warning: there can be a honeymoon phase where after diagnosis and beginning medication you enter this ecstatic period of normalcy on the one hand and insane productivity on the other. Don't get lulled into complacency. Use this period to improve lifestyle routines and get to a place where you can cruise at a better pace than you otherwise might once the acceleration stops. By lifestyle I don't mean some of the things…

Not to be too depressing, but there are two factors that can contribute to this honeymoon phase that I'm aware of: 1. Weight change, either bulking on muscle or fat can change your optimal dose for medication... And it's my opinion (and totally just my opinion) that starting to treat ADHD usually leads to a weight gain, either by getting you more able to exercise or increasing your activity and caloric intake. 2. Res…

You can avoid becoming resistant to the medication by taking "holidays". I usually do this Friday-Sunday most weeks. A daily alternative can be wellbutrin or aplenzin as well.

Also most people can get away with generics so even without insurance the meds are cheap. The psych visits will cost $300-400 a pop though....

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I also have ADHD (Or what was called ADD before - i.e, not the hyperactive part), and got diagnosed as an adult. As a child, I was extremely hyperactive - by some mystery, my parents didn't get me examined. And since I mellowed down in my teens, them nor school bothered to do anything.

But, yes, it's awful. For me, the worst parts are:

- Uncontrollable "hyperfocus" on things you really don't have control over. It would be awesome if you could control your interest, but it's usually the other way around. Something finds you, and you can't stop focusing on it. Everything around you becomes irrelevant, it's like a drug.

- Poor time management. For some reason, things just fly by you. Because you have a hard time focusing on different things, they get neglected really fast, and you suddenly find yourself hours / days / weeks later, remembering that you should have done some thing. Taking out the trash, paying your bills, handing in homework, getting your car looked at, etc.

- Having a hard time reading long pieces of text. During college I absolutely loathed classes with a lot of reading, as I'd read the same part 4 times over, zoning out each time.

- Zero sympathy from other people. You easily get branded lazy. My teachers said year after year that I was bright, but lazy - so I figured there's nothing wrong with me, I'm just lazy.

- Depression and anxiety etc. that comes and goes. I especially remember back in college when I studied Engineering, and most of my classmates would study 12 hours a day, deep into the books. It was impossible for me to do the same, so I pretty much lived from one all-nighter to another, feeling like a total fraud because I couldn't dedicate 1/10th of the time to school, as my buddies did. My anxiety was over the top.

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I would encourage you to really ignore the stigma that comes along with it, because I think it's endlessly harmful and only delays treatment for folks. The best way I can put it, was the first time I got a pair of glasses, I didn't know how bad my vision was (I was like 12)... when I put them on for the first time, I was shocked, I was in disbelief, "this is how everyone else sees?" Glasses are a tool to help you see…

I've taken stimulants, both Adderall and Ritalin and I can't stand the way they makes me feel. I don't have a very severe problem though but I do struggle sometimes with procrastination.

Not a doctor but sometimes ADHD-like symptoms can be other things like being bipolar.

There are a lot of non-stimulant and non-drug options to explore.

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I've dealt with this quandry! Oh man, sure, the medication makes me a better member of society... but am I killing the old me? Am I discriminating against the old me? In taking the medication are we declaring the me I was born as a dysfunctional useless person? I actually came to pretty much the same conclusion, I prefer being the me that is clear headed - the medication is a requisite for that and I dislike that che…

Yeah, this is a tricky one for sure. It is gonna sound cheesy, but what got me into my current mindset regarding it was a quote from the recent Elton John biopic. When Elton was struggling with the identity crisis and trying to articulate the mismatch of who he was vs. where he saw himself being in the future, one of the characters told him "You got to kill the person you were born to be in order to become the person…

That is an interesting approach, I can't rationalize on it though since it hits at part of the core issue - you are choosing someone to live. I'm a big old softy sure, but I genuinely feel anxious judging individuals in meaningful ways.

I definitely prefer the new me. There is a continual spectrum of mes from being a young kid to an adult (ship of theseus style[1]) but this is different (and I think Elton John's situation was similar). I can clearly see a me I like and an alternative me. In theory, every day of my life I make a choice to give that day to the me I like - but gods when I think about it it can get heart wrenching. Digging in, I'm basically denying that alternative me a chance to be alive... And I've never killed that other me, it's sitting there and I might be that me tomorrow, it's just that every day so far I've chosen that today won't be the day it is me... Similarly Elton John could always return to being Reginald (or however he identifies his older identity) he just doesn't.

As someone who waxes philosophically this is an interesting consideration to dive into but thankfully most days I skip right past it and don't perseverate. It's pleasant to share though, since I don't like vocalizing it with most folks.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

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Probably stimulants. I’d be curious to know because I’d rather not take stimulants...

I would encourage you to really ignore the stigma that comes along with it, because I think it's endlessly harmful and only delays treatment for folks. The best way I can put it, was the first time I got a pair of glasses, I didn't know how bad my vision was (I was like 12)... when I put them on for the first time, I was shocked, I was in disbelief, "this is how everyone else sees?" Glasses are a tool to help you see…

As somebody that just started wearing glasses and started taking Ritalin again for the first time since I was a teenager, I 100% agree.

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I’m 31 and have ADHD (diagnosed in my teens) and I’m pretty sure NOBODY with ADHD is going to have the wherewithal to read this entire article! Unless it happens to magically coincide with their hyper-focus topic of the moment! In all seriousness, I skimmed parts of the article and kept scrolling and it just kept going and going and going... like the Energizer bunny. I guess the author found a doctor to prescribe sti…

> Unless it happens to magically coincide with their hyper-focus topic of the moment! It's funny. People with ADHD suffer from attention deficit but at the same time they display hyperattention when they encounter a subject they like. I've experienced it as well: once I start programming I have no problem doing it for 12 hours straight. I've found this trait in many ADHD patients. There's usually something that reall…

My favorite explanation is that of a hunter.

Those with ADHD spend 90% of their time imagining, thinking, doing everything and nothing. And to any observer they look stupid, or undisciplined, or lazy.

Like the hunt, when somebody with ADHD encounters an situation with very high (perceived) consequences, they will lock into intense hyperfocus, completely singular in their goal.

So the modes of operation are 1) philosophize and daydream or 2) hunt

Is this real? I have no idea, probably not, but it helps me reason about myself better than feeling like a permanent victim

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Yeah, this is a tricky one for sure. It is gonna sound cheesy, but what got me into my current mindset regarding it was a quote from the recent Elton John biopic. When Elton was struggling with the identity crisis and trying to articulate the mismatch of who he was vs. where he saw himself being in the future, one of the characters told him "You got to kill the person you were born to be in order to become the person…

That is an interesting approach, I can't rationalize on it though since it hits at part of the core issue - you are choosing someone to live. I'm a big old softy sure, but I genuinely feel anxious judging individuals in meaningful ways. I definitely prefer the new me. There is a continual spectrum of mes from being a young kid to an adult (ship of theseus style[1]) but this is different (and I think Elton John's situ…

>And I've never killed that other me, it's sitting there and I might be that me tomorrow, it's just that every day so far I've chosen that today won't be the day it is me... Similarly Elton John could always return to being Reginald (or however he identifies his older identity) he just doesn't.

The way I see it, it isn't really "killing", as in, getting it to not exist at all anymore. That old "you" will always be there, just like a bunch of other possible "yous". The "killing off" part means getting to a point where going back to that old "you" becomes as difficult as it was for you to get to the current "you" from your old "you".

And I totally feel you on the part about thinking too hard about it. This outlook I have is definitely not comprehensive and just provides satisfaction at a cursory glance when my mind wanders there. Looking at it under a microscopic view, there are individual parts that can be deconstructed and found to be not super accurate. But overall, it seems to provide me with a good enough framework to look at my life through.

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I’m 31 and have ADHD (diagnosed in my teens) and I’m pretty sure NOBODY with ADHD is going to have the wherewithal to read this entire article! Unless it happens to magically coincide with their hyper-focus topic of the moment! In all seriousness, I skimmed parts of the article and kept scrolling and it just kept going and going and going... like the Energizer bunny. I guess the author found a doctor to prescribe sti…

Yep - goes on forever - I gave up LOL

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I wonder whether I have mild ADHD but I'm not sure whether I'm just young - and not willing to use the NHS to find out. (or ADHD-ish but not actually "ill", for want of a better term). I can relate to the symptoms on the NHS website (for adults) but I'd rather not self-diagnose. One thing that doesn't seem to fit is that I can focus very hard (by my standards at least) (for short periods of time) on things but not th…

You're describing hyperfocus, which is a common manifestation of ADHD. ADHD is fundamentally the result of disordered executive functioning. That means someone with ADHD has difficulty controlling their attention. In some people, that means they bounce from thing to thing, in others that means they hyperfocus on certain things for too long losing track of other priorities like eating, sleeping, homework, etc. Failing to get enough sleep and exercise are particularly problematic since without those things executive function deteriorates further.
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