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Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by OkGoDoIt » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 5:56 PM UTC

ChrisRR wrote: post #157

joeraut wrote: post #122

One of my Computer Science lecturers had a rule: use Vim for all development for his class whilst on campus, and if caught using any other editor/IDE – or committing any artifacts showing evidence of such – we would lose several percentage points from our final mark for his class. Harsh? Perhaps. But I can’t thank that lecturer enough for that rule. He converted a mostly IDE-wielding class into one that actually appr…

That's stupid and elitist. There's no reason to force students to go against IDEs that they're already used to, but also the general method of navigating around a computer which they're probably used to from MS Word etc.

It’s a college class in which students are supposed to learn something new, that seems like a perfect example of a situation where you should be forced to do something outside your comfort zone.

I don’t interpret that as the college professor saying this is actually the best way to code, just that forcing students to struggle through it is a learning experience.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by Aperocky » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 5:57 PM UTC

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #128

weinzierl wrote: post #28

The question is not "How" but "Why" you would want to ever do that in the first place;-) Many years ago I knew a university professor and students said about him he might leave uni occasionally but he sure never leaves Emacs. Some live in Emacs, some live in Vim.

Emacs users live in emacs, but vim users usually live in the terminal, not directly in vim. Good thing there's a terminal version with vim bindings of pretty much every program out there :) (As I finished writing this, and was about to type ^[fG to submit this reply, I couldn't help but smile a bit)

set vi!

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by samatman » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 5:58 PM UTC

jerzyt wrote: post #91

Interestingly, deleting the vim executable won't exit, because Unix has the "funny" habit of keeping a file handle alive as long as it's referenced by a process. Really cool way to mess with some noobs.

What is the 'deleting an executable' you speak of?

All I know how to do is remove a reference to a file, and hope it's the last one and that Unix will garbage collect it eventually.

Remember kids: `rm` is just `ln` backwards.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by Aperocky » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 5:59 PM UTC

cmroanirgo wrote: post #31

weinzierl wrote: post #28

The question is not "How" but "Why" you would want to ever do that in the first place;-) Many years ago I knew a university professor and students said about him he might leave uni occasionally but he sure never leaves Emacs. Some live in Emacs, some live in Vim.

I live in a different universe to you it seems. The only vim command I know is :q . Honestly, I tried several times over the decades and walked away with my head buzzing. PS: I don't live in emacs either! What I do love in both camps is how the explanations begin... "All you have to do is...[insert irrational (to non-vim/emacs users) command]" which makes me laugh every time. Love the article, which ironically proves…

You don’t have to use vim command in normal text editing (mostly). Vim (and emacs) draw lies mostly in programmatically writing text.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by jessant » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 6:00 PM UTC

yason wrote: post #95

In the opposing vein, as an Emacs user the best configuration I ever made was to rebind C-x C-c to execute-extended-command instead of kill-emacs. It was way too easy to (even accidentally!) kill emacs with a sweep of a finger. And I probably use a few hundred execute-extended-command calls for each kill-emacs (which I now have to type manually as 'C-x C-c kill-emacs' - no problemo). A similar optimisation was with t…

command wq command w command q

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by longemen3000 » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 6:05 PM UTC

In Julia slack, when talking about Julia IDEs, this came. The solution : a hardware VIM kill switch https://github.com/caseykneale/VIMKiller/blob/master/README.... I strongly suggest donating the suggested amount to the project

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by cdelsolar » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 6:14 PM UTC

kburman wrote: post #139

namelosw wrote: post #37

- So, how did you learn Vim? I heard there's quite a learning curve. - I just open it, but I couldn't figure out how to quit. Then I have been using it for three years already. (Same applies to Emacs.)

I have tried to start using vim so many times and failed. Even this year I thought to start using vim. Daily I open vim once try to do something new with it. Although I don't have much of hope that I will start using it an soon.

I finally started using Vim sort of by force, and am already becoming proficient with it after a few hours (and liking it). The reason was that my ISP sent me a cheap Chromebook for free, and I've started using it for coding during my commute (and relegating my old laptop to my music studio). A few days ago there was a ChromeOS update that seems to have killed the ability to connect to code-server (a VS Code server) from the browser, no matter what I tried, and then I tried my old trusty Emacs and I can't get MELPA to detect go-mode at all.

Infuriated by all of the above I found a nice tutorial on how to set up Vim for Go development, used vimtutor, and now I've been able to do non-trivial amount of work while on the train. I actually rather enjoy vim now.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by orang55 » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 6:23 PM UTC

This is as good of a place as any to mention that I built https://howtoquitvim.com a while back if you need a less-sadistic reminder for how to exit Everybody's Favorite Text Editor.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by signal11 » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 6:31 PM UTC

kburman wrote: post #139

namelosw wrote: post #37

- So, how did you learn Vim? I heard there's quite a learning curve. - I just open it, but I couldn't figure out how to quit. Then I have been using it for three years already. (Same applies to Emacs.)

I have tried to start using vim so many times and failed. Even this year I thought to start using vim. Daily I open vim once try to do something new with it. Although I don't have much of hope that I will start using it an soon.

I'm not sure if I should mention it here, but in case some people are not familiar -- these lines make using vim a very easy experience for those used to CUA editing interfaces:

  set nocompatible
  source $VIMRUNTIME/mswin.vim
  behave mswin

It doesn't really change the command mode if you're used to traditional vim, but you can use shift-arrow keys to select text in VISUAL mode, use CUA commands like C-c, C-x and C-v, etc. Keys like Home, End, C-insert, and S-delete also work.

Re: How to Exit Vim

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Post by tynorf » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 6:35 PM UTC

jessant wrote: post #265

yason wrote: post #95

In the opposing vein, as an Emacs user the best configuration I ever made was to rebind C-x C-c to execute-extended-command instead of kill-emacs. It was way too easy to (even accidentally!) kill emacs with a sweep of a finger. And I probably use a few hundred execute-extended-command calls for each kill-emacs (which I now have to type manually as 'C-x C-c kill-emacs' - no problemo). A similar optimisation was with t…

command wq command w command q

Unfortunately:

  E183: User defined commands must start with an uppercase letter