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United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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It will be blocked from purchase in the U.S. https://www.wired.com/story/us-china-cybertheft-su-bin/

But the rest of the world (larger than the US) might just want a cheap deal with companies from business friendly countries?

Yes, China has found it is incredibly effective to just pay individual leaders in Africa to get their business and win bids.

I don’t see how the west wins this one

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It's surprising airbus hasn't eaten more of Boeing's lunch. The A32x series planes fit the roles of the 737/757/767 seemingly, and likely don't require new certifications to fly each in the series. I think boeing has not only lost customers from the 737 max but confidence from people actually flying boeing jets as a whole. I for one look at the plane I'm flying on when buying tickets, I pay more for planes that have…

They're production constrained. The backlog for A32x is like 10 year long. At some point, better a slightly inferior plane now (well, in the next few years) than in 20 years.

I assume they don't increase production (or at least not enough to massively reduce this backlog) because they don't expect this to keep up, and it's a massive investment.

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None of them compete, effectively, since they’re in different coverage areas. Except for bart, basically. And I certainly treat bart and MUNI as competitive products for commuting to work, although it doesn’t feel like MUNI does...

BART and MUNI have fundamentally different orientations, despite overlapping service along the Market Street subway. BART's service is long-train (up to 10 cars) through service on fully dedicated trackways following a single through route within San Francisco. If you happen to be transiting any points between Colma and Embarcadero strickly along that route, BART is your best bet. MUNI Metro serves multiple endpoints…

>The results aren't pretty, for MUNI. But that's all but a given under the environment they're operating in.

Not necessarily. They could exclusively run fast 4 car trains along the length of the subway, with transfers to street lines. That would prevent a single street-level train from backing up the whole system. http://newmunimetro.com/m-market/

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It was for the execs for 20 years.

There is being prudent and then there is being negligent - I think people conflate them. I don't think there is any publicly traded company that does not care about profit - Boeing is not somehow unique in this. If the profit is competently pursued then you won't jeopardise safety beyond a certain point though - because that will in the long term impact profits and shareholders who appoint execs are not benefited by…

Quite the contrary, they are bound by fiduciary duty. Short term profits for long term disaster breaches that responsibility.

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The Airbus A220 (formerly the Bombardier C-Series) is a clean sheet design and by most accounts, one of the best designs of its class today. It widely considered to be a next generation commercial aircraft, and will be unsurpassed by competitors for a couple of years until they catch up with newer designs. It’s enjoyed rave reviews by consumers and airplane nerds love it. Delta has already bought a bunch and I look f…

It's also too small

No I don’t think so.

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I think partly it’s the nature of the business. Even if every airline wants to drop the 737 and order all A32xes from now on, they can’t; Airbus simply doesn’t have the pipeline. Boeing will sell either a patched up MAX or a less ambition re-engine (a MEDIUM?) Probably for less money, but it’ll sell; the airlines really have very little choice.

it's worse than that : airplane pilots are certified for a particular set of aircraft (and that's why the 737 max came to existence). Even if a company wanted to boycott Boeing, on top of refresh its current fleet it would have to re-train and re-certified all its employees. Weirdly enough, most of Air France & KLM fleet are comprised of Boeing planes

> Most of Air France & KLM fleet are comprised of Boeing planes

Are you sure about that? On WP I see 79 Boeing out of 223 planes for Airbus, but I’m not expert. Is there any wider fleet to consider? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France

KLM has 13 Airbus out of 123 airframes, that part is correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM

HOP is mostly Bombardier/Embraer, etc.

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It lost them money but it didn't hurt their brand. Those are great planes to fly in as a passenger, they're just not profitable in the end for Airbus. Boeing can't even keep its newest plane in the skies, and may have killed off the 737 line for good. Think another revision after the MAX is ever going to be approved?

>Boeing can't even keep its newest plane in the skies The 787 is the newest airframe and it's fine. The 737 is the Windows XP of the sky and there's only so much you can fix with service packs.

They need a replacement for it, then, tho. The 737/a32x size is hugely important. Nearly all the planes I’m on are one or the other.

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socialdemocrat didn't claim no corruption, simply not the same degree. Corruption in Europe is different, and often more subtle, than in the US (have lived and worked in both) but I do feel that over the 30 years the US has really gotten a lot worse compared to the EU countries.

Eastern EU countries would disagree.

But that's at a "state" level.

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It's surprising airbus hasn't eaten more of Boeing's lunch. The A32x series planes fit the roles of the 737/757/767 seemingly, and likely don't require new certifications to fly each in the series. I think boeing has not only lost customers from the 737 max but confidence from people actually flying boeing jets as a whole. I for one look at the plane I'm flying on when buying tickets, I pay more for planes that have…

They're production constrained. The backlog for A32x is like 10 year long. At some point, better a slightly inferior plane now (well, in the next few years) than in 20 years. I assume they don't increase production (or at least not enough to massively reduce this backlog) because they don't expect this to keep up, and it's a massive investment.

Airbus say that they would like to increase production of the A320 series but are constrained by their suppliers's ability to expand their production.

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I mean, it wasn’t a safety scandal, but the A380 was a huge disaster for the company. I’d be more comfortable getting on a notional A360 than a notional 797, but both companies have self-harmed recently.

It lost them money but it didn't hurt their brand. Those are great planes to fly in as a passenger, they're just not profitable in the end for Airbus. Boeing can't even keep its newest plane in the skies, and may have killed off the 737 line for good. Think another revision after the MAX is ever going to be approved?

As well as being great to fly in (seriously, business class on the upper deck by the window is an absolute dream) they have that "WOW" factor that I haven't experienced since first seeing a 747 or Concorde.
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