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Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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I find the idea of the threat of prosecution in a free country as a form of "torture" a bit questionable. It's something, but i'm not sure I agree with calling that torture.

He is currently held in solitary confinement, with 1 hour outside his cell per day. That is torture.

And the years before he spent time in an embassy on his own free will, the solitary confinement is new.

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BS. They're accusing him under a law that would not allow him to present any motive for what he did. Not a fair trial by most countries' standards.

> They're accusing him under a law that would not allow him to present any motive for what he did Yeah, rape doesn't need motive.

Please don’t do that here. We’re not talking about rape. We’re talking about the espionage accusations.

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Among other things, one would certainly have to exclude any country which engages in the mass collection and permanent storage of all of its citizens' communications.

What if the population was ok with that / didn't care?

Then I'd ask those same people to hand over their credentials to all their accounts since their data, privacy, and property, seem to matter little to them.

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I find the idea of the threat of prosecution in a free country as a form of "torture" a bit questionable. It's something, but i'm not sure I agree with calling that torture.

What makes you think making up charges and constantly threatening to destroy you are not extremely stressful. He has a family too that he's been unable to see properly for a long while. Is his only current crime skipping bail on charges he believed were fake? Clearly, facing deportation to the US is problematic for a number of reasons, mostly that it's impossible for even Snowden to get a fair trial there, let alone…

Would that we all had the luxury of the ability to skip bail on charges we believed were fake, yeah?

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>he exposed himself to Did you miss what happened to him when he was arrested? He's now being tortured even more. He put himself there, for his safety, and to think he did it 'just because' is wildly ridiculous.

No, and I do in fact think his most recent incarceration at least borders on torture. But I also think claiming that someone is torturing you while you’ve locked yourself in a room trying to evade questioning in a criminal investigation is ridiculous.

He locked himself in a room trying to evade exactly the treatment he is receiving right now. Is there any precedent in the UK for solitary confinement in Belmarsh for skipping bail on a rape charge in another country?

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Whistleblowers do not deserve to be in prison. Exposing war crimes is good.

She wasn't technically a whistleblower, technically she stole classified documents and betrayed her country that she swore to protect. The military have a different way of dealing with justice, especially in U.S. She was in fact sentenced by court-martial not by a regular court.

> She wasn't technically a whistleblower

How so?

> technically she stole classified documents

You can't steal online data. You can only copy it.

> betrayed her country that she swore to protect

Exposed crimes against the constitution by the government and the military to the people. This sounds like a very honourable (and whistleblow-y) thing to do.

> She was in fact sentenced by court-martial not by a regular court.

Which is an extremely corrupt move.

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"free country"... oxymoron of the century by now...

What would you define a "free country" as?

I like ones with full suffrage for all citizens of age of majority, including criminals. Like Canada.

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He is currently held in solitary confinement, with 1 hour outside his cell per day. That is torture.

I don't think so. I spend less than an hour outside each day and I don't find my life to be torturous.

Do you spend the other 23 hours in an 8x5 room with cement walls and nothing but a bed and a toilet?

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It's not torture if you can leave at any time. He wasn't being held in the embassy, he was hiding there.

Ah, the old “he was free to leave anytime” argument. No. He wasn’t. Yes, technically, he was free to leave, but arguing that is ignoring the fact that leaving would mean jail. It’s victim blaming. Would you say a victim of Stockholm Syndrome is “free to leave at any time”? No, because that’s a ridiculous argument. Would you say Snowden is “free to leave [Russia] at any time”? No! So why is it an acceptable argument w…

So this would be like mudering a bunch of people, hiding in cave to avoid prosecution and then claim that you are being tortured?

That's a bit silly in my view.

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