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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Genuinely curious, why did so many developers ask for the return of the physical Escape key when you could easily re-map it to caps lock? Before this was an officially supported option, I always hated having to do big hand-shimmies every time I needed to press the escape key, which is quite often for programs like vim!

Because caps lock is already control. :-)

That makes sense, I didn't even consider that some folks already have the key bound to something else.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

I love my 15” 2017 MBP with a Touch Bar. It’s much easier to mute and slide the volume than my previous MBP. Safari and VScode have Touch Bar features I like. Glad they brought back the esc key. On previous MBPs you still had to touch the fn key to use F1 etc... I do the same on my newer Mac. Press FN and you get what you need back. Personally I don’t see why they get all the hate. It’s a little gimmicky but I don’t…

I still have physical f-keys, and every time I use my gf's touchbar macbook, I realize I have to look at the touchbar just to do anything, like modify the volume or change the brightness. I run into this every time I use it when I just want to make quick volume adjustments. And it takes multiple taps to get things done that used to take a single button press. Also, I immediately missed global media playback controls.

It's just a showstopper for a lot of us that it's another screen you have to look at. I don't want my eyes to leave the main screen. It's like if they tried to turn the trackpad into a screen: no matter how much functionality it might have, it's still somewhere I don't want to have to look when I'm using a computer.

I also was amazed at how unused it was. You probably named the only apps that use the touchbar because nothing on her computer did. And if they did, it was just cloned UI of UI that the main screen already had. I think the only useful usecase I've noticed is that the touchbar will show the url of the current video when you fullscreen it, if I want to damn it with faint praise.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

I say both of those things. Although about thinkpads, not Dells.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

So the keyboard guaranteed to break within the first 6 months on a 3k laptop is not among the worst two things?

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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OMG, I'm very depressed as a user who loves the butterfly mechanism. I hate the wobbly feeling that the scissor mechanism produces. Apple didn't need to return to the scissor mechanism, it should have reiterated the design. I'm very disappointed that Apple just gave up & used the safe way of regressing back. It feels like Apple is losing the spirit of doing things itself, whether other people dislikes it. Apple is mo…

The Butterfly mechanism was tainted by a number of design flaws that forced Apple to provide a soft recall: https://support.apple.com/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-n... I'm literally getting my new Macbook serviced today due to sticky butterfly keys.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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post #80

"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

For the record: think twice before buying Dell XPS. I'm on my second now. Poor hardware quality on both. The first got a full replacement of mainboard, keyboard and battery after short circuiting. The second came with a broken hinge cover out of the box and there still seems to be a driver problem I haven't figured out (random lags up to 5 seconds or so but usually less multiple times a week if not multiple times a d…

Yeah, new XPS 15 here. Would be a beautiful machine, if it weren't for the constant thermal issues..

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Am I the only one that is scared at the prospect of losing physical keys for changing volume and brightness? I do this all the time, changing volume up/down during conference calls, adjusting the brightness when working late at night. Can you even map the Touch-bar to have "keys" for these instead of the slider which seems way less precise and direct? Genuinely asking since I'm still on 2014 MBP.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

I’m sure someone has suggested this at some point but why not physical keys with an lcd underneath each key? This would allow those keys to be fully customizable and be worthy of the “Pro” designation.

"Keys" on the touch bar are more dynamic. Buttons can have different width, you can show text, sliders for e.g. volume. It's not a 1-to-1 mapping.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the Touch Bar a lot. Not having esc was the only gripe I had with it but I personally much prefer the multifunctional bar over some static f keys

I'm curious, do you usually blind type? If so, what advantage does it bring to you to look down on your keys? Also, in an optimal seating position (elbows at 90 degrees), do your fingers obscure the visibility of the touch bar?

What do you actually use the F keys for? I haven't used them in so long that I only remember what F2 and F5 did.
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