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Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their Employers

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Post by zepto »

g00gler wrote: post #248
zepto wrote: post #197

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How does any of this help anyone? It seems like it just creates a lot of inefficiency.

More companies, more jobs, more competition. For example, other ad networks can buy ad placement in google search.

Since google will still be the monopoly search engine, all the profits will still be captured by Google.

There may be some completion in ad networks, most likely racing to the bottom since margins on ad-tech will be razor thin.

This will do nothing but make things worse.

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Post by Izkata »

rehasu wrote: post #243
malvosenior wrote: post #118

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Gen Y and Millenials are the same thing (at least that's how I've always understood it): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials

I don't know who came up with that definition. Gen-Y is born late 80s and 90s. Millenials are born in the new MILLENIUM.

That definition was used for a very short time in the 90s. It's long since settled into "was a teenager in the new millennium", which means born early 80s to late 90s.

Gen Z, also known as iGen, was born in the new millennium.

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Post by dmode »

robomartin wrote: post #253
dmode wrote: post #234

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I have no idea what you just said. I personally, have lived in Denmark, Netherlands, and Germany - quite socialist, and big government places, with public healthcare, education, childcare, strong safety nets, unions, worker protections, so on and so forth. And life was freaking great. In fact, in Netherlands, you only needed to work for 36 hours. Those were the happiest times of my life.

Those are not socialist nations, not even close. This is a common response that has no basis in reality. For example: Have any of those nations taken over and nationalized large businesses? Have any of those nations grown government so large that a massive percentage of the population depends on it to survive? Those countries are as capitalist as you can get in practice. They just happen to have one or more well deve…

Those are overwhelmingly described as socialist nations in conservative media and is the north star of 99% of democratic policies

Edit: rest of your response. Where do I even start. Hundreds of millions of people are not looking to move to Europe ? Do you even read the news ? Have you heard about the refugee crisis in Europe ? Have you read about the divide between immigrant community in Europe ? Have you read about boats crossing the Mediterranean every day ?

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Post by Gibbon1 »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #226
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #179

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It's a great anecdote, but it's hard for me to read that and not immediately think "then explain Andrew Lloyd Webber, please."

Guy made a comment about that, said they've been running cats for the last 1 years because they are afraid to try anything new. If they put on a new play and the critics don't give it a top rating no one comes and they lose money.

Opps meant 12 years. Currently Cats has been running for 38 years.

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Post by littlestymaar »

rayiner wrote: post #257
littlestymaar wrote: post #242

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> I've seen this playbook before in Latin America --many times-- it doesn't end well. The good news for the US is that they don't have an imperialist neighbour who's going to crush their economy and support a coup to shut down any socialist threat to their imperialism. Because that's what happened all the times in Latin America. > The proper context is external to the US: China. They are laughing their asses off righ…

> The good news for the US is that they don't have an imperialist neighbour who's going to crush their economy and support a coup to shut down any socialist threat to their imperialism. Because that's what happened all the times in Latin America. While U.S. intervention in Latin America is regrettable, this is a lame cop-out. One, many countries that embraced capitalism flourished economically despite U.S. interventi…

> One, many countries that embraced capitalism flourished economically despite U.S. intervention.

I think you misunderstood my point: I said that leftist governements in South America failed because they were under massive pressure from the US. Chile is a good example, as Aliende was literally overthrown by a coup financed by CIA.

> many countries that embraced socialism destroyed themselves economically despite the lack of foreign intervention. E.g. Venezuela under Chavez, India under Nehru.

That's absolutely wrong about Venezuela. Chavez era is the golden age of the past 40 years in that country.

And about Nehru, the main criticism is not about destroying anything (because post-colonization didn't have an economy to destroy in the first place) and more about missed opportunity, but that's an easy thing to say afterwards (and many non-socialist countries didn't do any better).

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Post by lonelappde »

claudeganon wrote: post #64
pytester wrote: post #5

Wasn't too surprised to see that Bloomberg neglected to mention a pretty self evident reason why tech workers might want that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... I'm pretty sure that if the anti-trust litigation in 2001 hadn't battered microsoft then tech wages would not be as high today. Competition among employers is good for wages, and the fewer and bigger the employers, the less the co…

I continued to be surprised by how much they got away with and how little in the way of consequences there seems to have been. After his involvement in the scandal, Lazlo Bock got a book deal for a work celebrating Google’s HR practices. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/google-apple-cl... https://www.workrules.net/

Eric Schmidt got a book deal and general global elite status despite writing an email acknowledging that what they are doing was illegal and asking to stop writing about what they were doing.

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Post by lonelappde »

throwGuardian wrote: post #258
kick wrote: post #238

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It doesn't say anything on Warren (who I happen to dislike intensely). It's on Sanders, and it's misleading because the article itself notes that Sanders is trying to make it right, and that it's on a technicality that it happened in the first place.

It's always a technicality, and with enough pressure, any company is likely to "make it right". The point is that Sanders' demagoguery of companies exploiting workers mismatches with his own campaign's actions. Likewise, Warren can rail on and on about underpaid, "exploited" workers, but her own campaign staff are subject to this, as it is an industry standard way to run campaigns!! They like to ignore free market ra…

Not sure why you are ignoring the fact that Sanders and Warren don't have stockpiled profits or billionaire managers taking home the cash not being paid to staffers.

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Post by lonelappde »

zepto wrote: post #261
g00gler wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More companies, more jobs, more competition. For example, other ad networks can buy ad placement in google search.

Since google will still be the monopoly search engine, all the profits will still be captured by Google. There may be some completion in ad networks, most likely racing to the bottom since margins on ad-tech will be razor thin. This will do nothing but make things worse.

If Google is a search monopoly (or really and ad impressions monopoly, which is the core issue for competition) that's another issue to address.

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Post by littlestymaar »

robomartin wrote: post #260
littlestymaar wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've seen this playbook before in Latin America --many times-- it doesn't end well. The good news for the US is that they don't have an imperialist neighbour who's going to crush their economy and support a coup to shut down any socialist threat to their imperialism. Because that's what happened all the times in Latin America. > The proper context is external to the US: China. They are laughing their asses off righ…

> The good news for the US is that they don't have an imperialist neighbour I don't think you know the history of Latin America. If you speak Spanish you should watch the many excellent videos out there with Gloria Alvarez. If you don't, she has been doing more and more work in English, here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xP-epEQikI If you do understand Spanish, here's a short history of Latin American histo…

That's funny how libertarians get all their reading from libertarian sources.

Gloria Alvarez is no historian, she is a politician with a libertarian agenda…

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Post by zepto »

lonelappde wrote: post #268
zepto wrote: post #261

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Since google will still be the monopoly search engine, all the profits will still be captured by Google. There may be some completion in ad networks, most likely racing to the bottom since margins on ad-tech will be razor thin. This will do nothing but make things worse.

If Google is a search monopoly (or really and ad impressions monopoly, which is the core issue for competition) that's another issue to address.

They aren’t separate issues.

Google being a search monopoly is the only issue. Breaking the ad business away won’t change anything except make things worse for the consumer.

Working out how to make search competitive is the issue.

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