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Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by johnzim »

Andrex wrote: post #93
franciscop wrote: post #37

This is a very common issue. The best and most common solution (besides visual indicators for scroll) is to make sure you are always cropping some elements. Which is very tricky to impossible in a fluid general-purpose UI container. This is very heavily used for horizontal scrolling e.g. in the Google Play Store for instance. IIRC it used to show 3.5 elements, now it's more like 3.1-3.2 elements. Edit: example, you c…

> besides visual indicators for scroll These don't have to be scrollbars. A pattern I've seen lately is a semi-opaque white gradient to indicate "you can scroll more."

I used to use that about 5-6 years ago, you have to be very delicate with it because it can look extremely cheap, but if you make it too subtle it's impossible to see.

What's worse is that if there's enough of a bottom boundary to the last visible bit of content in the viewport, it doesn't look like there's anything below it at all, which puts you in the same position.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by wrongsystem »

This is all wrong!

If there is anything to discuss about Apple products: it´s the brutal and oppressive work system they established in china, their support of surveillance dictatorships around the world, their destructive forced obsolescence and the impudent refusal to contribute to societies by paying taxes like every citizen does. It is an evil, cynical gang of criminals that are actively destroying the future of our planet and our freedoms and you are talking about GUI quirks? STOP buying it!

Stop following that stupid idea of closed source operating systems! Thanks to the visionary veterans of the free software movement nowadays we have alternatives - we just need to use them!

Yes, of course fascist corporate market oppressors make it hard to be free and easy to obey.

Yes, of course there still might be some edge cases and quirks and things must get ironed out. But freedom future is what we get, something that is worth all the trouble!

Especially here on HN I feel that vicarious embarrassment when "Hackers" proudly brag about their OSX and IOS problems. "ICloud" - how can a thinking, self-respecting human even still use that surveillance tools?

We are on the edge of losing all of the freedoms our fathers fought for just because we are too lazy to solve the minimal last mile of problems on a very long marathon to better usability of open source software everywhere - this is historic debt we are taking on us just because of "easy"!

Get the F out of your comfort zone and support free software.

Yes, there will be lots of jobs, many independent developers and system consultants and small support shops with open systems, it will be a much better economy with free software - closed software actually produces bad systems because milking the consumer becomes a higher priority than building good software. The evidence is clearly visible nowadays. Windows, Adobe, Apple, etc. - all systems that are so bad and full of problems because the idea of closed source is wrong and leads to bad software.

Also the childish inability to recognize that free software is an inevitable requirement for a free society has already caused too many problems, we finally must take the next step and make open systems even better everywhere.

Be part of the solution and stop using software that puts users in a virtual prison, let us make free software mainstream everywhere!

Free your gadgets and your brain will follow! Stop buying anti-freedom!

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by admax88q »

teetermld wrote: post #148
chias wrote: post #135

I need to use a MacBook Pro for work. Discovering that there is an option to make scrollbars always visible when there is scrolling to be done was, by a significant margin, the best QOL improvement I have discovered. This happens to me so often it's ridiculous. Maybe because I'm just used to seeing a scrollbar if there is a Y-overflow, and people that grew up with this system know to -- I guess just like try scrollin…

Checking to see if something scrolls is way easier than looking at a design, calculating in your head if the margins look equidistant from one another thus deducing that it must be the bottom of the screen. I always thought 'below the fold' was so overused or at least only for people who never use a computer, but I guess that's definitely wrong.

Not when your head does that calculation automatically based upon the pattern recognition that it excels at.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by dredmorbius »

nkrisc wrote: post #125
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We, as an industry, used to do a lot of UX research. Today's designers ignore all of it because they don't like what it says. Spacial file managers? Global menu bars? 3D buttons? Ew. Let's just make shit up.

Today's designers, just like kids these days. In reality, most design work these days is shifting to research and usability testing. Any designer who doesn't consider these things is just not a great designer and has much to learn.

There may be more R&D and UX testing. But there's a hell of a lot more design going on, much of it small and one-off. And the research doesn't seem to be filtering through.

Too, as noted, the UX metric is frequently "engagement", which is not the same as usability.

Also: Tyranny of the Minimum Viable User:

https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/69wk8y/the_tyr...

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by taneq »

dpcan wrote: post #156

"But I see them impact my aging parents all the time." I've realized lately that I'm actually entering this zone. For the last 20 years I've been talking about how stuff like this is a nightmare for the "aging" community. 20 years is a long time, and now I'm falling into it. The big one for me in this new version of iOS was that: 1) I couldn't figure out how to move my cursor around. It used to be perfect. I held my…

I've gone the opposite direction (or just skipped ahead into second childhood?) - if I can't see the option I want I spend a minute or so monkey-slapping the screen in random directions with random numbers of fingers, because apparently this is what qualifies these days as "discoverable".

(A simple example I discovered before I devolved to this level - when looking at messages on an iphone, swipe and hold left to see the sent times. Did you know that? If so HOW DID YOU KNOW?)

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by fragsworth »

Zelphyr wrote: post #194
dpcan wrote: post #156

"But I see them impact my aging parents all the time." I've realized lately that I'm actually entering this zone. For the last 20 years I've been talking about how stuff like this is a nightmare for the "aging" community. 20 years is a long time, and now I'm falling into it. The big one for me in this new version of iOS was that: 1) I couldn't figure out how to move my cursor around. It used to be perfect. I held my…

"It feels like change for the sake of change when it worked perfectly before." To my mind this is becoming a BIG problem in tech and I'm really saddened to see Apple falling for it. I guess too many people in a position to change things that feel like they need to justify their positions. Either way, it needs to stop. Sometimes good enough is good enough.

I think it's partially due to stack ranking. You have to justify your position to your peers (most of whom don't even use the application) and show everyone metrics of people using your crap. If you don't make any "improvements" to the app, you can't get any promotions. If an app is already perfect, then these "improvements" can only ruin the application.

It should come as no surprise that if you ruin your UI, "engagement" goes up, because people are dicking around trying to figure out how the hell it works now. Unfortunately, statistics are hard, and nobody really knows what they're doing, so I don't think the organization is always aware of this kind of stuff.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by lisnake »

StavrosK wrote: post #214
senectus1 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rofl, just yesterday I was teasing a ex apple employee about how I can do that very same trick in Android but apple can't do it unless you install the Google keyboard.... Even HE didn't know this trick was in the default some keyboard! Can't wait to show him on Monday... Lol

Wait, how do you do that on Android? Do you mean with Gboard?

Yeah, it actually does work. Didn't know about it either til now. The trick is to swipe from space button in GBoard, then selection cursor moves. If I just hold my finger on spacebar it triggers language selection, so it's a bit tricky

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by FPGAhacker »

hellofunk wrote: post #188
dpcan wrote: post #156

"But I see them impact my aging parents all the time." I've realized lately that I'm actually entering this zone. For the last 20 years I've been talking about how stuff like this is a nightmare for the "aging" community. 20 years is a long time, and now I'm falling into it. The big one for me in this new version of iOS was that: 1) I couldn't figure out how to move my cursor around. It used to be perfect. I held my…

Holy Christ, thank you so much for this: > I couldn't figure out how to move my cursor around. It used to be perfect. I held my finger down, it let me move the cursor around in a word. Now you have to swipe the cursor to "grab" it and move it around under your finger. It feels like change for the sake of change when it worked perfectly before. I had no idea you could move the cursor this way! Until I read your commen…

My wife had the same problem. I knew how to do it because the tips app showed me after I upgraded. Not sure if it didn’t show the same thing to everyone.

I think it works fine although I still generally prefer the haptic/long touch spacebar method.

I always had trouble with selection vs placing the cursor, and it irritated me to no end. The long touch spacebar works great though and I still prefer it.

If you aren’t familiar with the long touch spacebar, give it a try. It temporarily changes the keyboard to a touchpad for moving the cursor. It’s great.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by nautilus12 »

This is yet another product of magical thinking around scrum and agile. WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN. Bar none, business needs to totally readjust their velocity gauge, its totally broken.
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