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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by michaelmrose » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 2:33 AM UTC

limomium wrote: post #161

georgeecollins wrote: post #84

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I don't understand how anyone could think dual screen is a gimmick that had a DS. There were a lot of games that put those two screens to good use. I am serious.

Consider this: To gain any information from a screen, you must actually look at it. You can only look at one screen at a time. The entire functionality of a second screen can be replaced with a single button: While that button is pressed, the screen shows whatever else it needs to show. It is true that pressing a button is ever so slightly slower than moving your eyes. But considering all the benefits from saving a w…

Virtual desktops were first envisioned at Xerox Parc and hot keys aren't new but dual screens have proven demonstrably more productive. Why is this?

Glancing from one screen to another is easier and lower mental overhead and you can look for input in your peripheral like text appearing without losing current context. You can also read from one screen while typing in another which is impossible in a non visible workspace.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by RandomBacon » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 3:12 AM UTC

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Just wrap it in a nice leather cover and sell it as an ebook reader. Hold your entire library in the exact form factor of one hardcover book.

I'd buy it only if one of the panel is an e-ink device.

Lenovo Yoga Book is exactly this.

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Post by mav3rick » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 3:25 AM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #199

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Are you adding the weight of the bag you now need to carry for the screen ? Or will you lug it in hand with a USB cable ?

Do you usually carry a laptop without a bag? How do you carry your laptop cord now? How snug is your laptop bag that you can’t put an iPad in it? Also, the iPad connects to your Macbook using WiFi. If you have an iPhone, you probably are already carrying a lightning cord - the same one that the non-pro iPads use.

Why stop at the 2nd screen ? Why don't you carry your processor, cables and monitors together everywhere.

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Post by ToFab123 » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 3:31 AM UTC

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Yes, I have no issues with transmitting my digital life back to Microsoft. I have done so since I got my first Hotmail count 20+ ago. Since then, my digital life has in one form or another been connected with Microsoft Services. I have never felt Microsoft has abused this trust I have given them. I have never thought that they have used my information for purposes I am not comfortable with. I have this thing against…

Microsoft sells ads, too. They're integrating them into Windows. Microsoft sells everything that Google sells and more. If Microsoft could have grown Bing as big as Google by doing everything Google did that you distrust, they absolutely would have done so. They would have done it with Windows Phone, too. And they still will, if they can, eventually. I'm not here to start an argument, just to suggest you re-examine y…

I don't want to start the argument either and you are also right. They would do exactly as Google has they been in the same situation.

Like so many here, I also wonder, why they don't become more like Apple in terms of privacy.Google would have no answer if Microsoft was a privacy-first company.

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Post by protomyth » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 3:36 AM UTC

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Want to "innovate" in laptop screens? How about giving us our 4:3 laptop screens back? Or (drool) 5:4 ? Most content (web pages, documents, code) is longer than it is wide, so any more square ratio is going to be an improvement over these silly "movie" ratio 16:9 screens. MS's 3:2 ratio screens are an improvement, but.. we can do more! Hell, I'd LOVE a 1:1 screen on a laptop! Imagine a 15" diagonal 1:1 screen, which…

The screens get wobbly at that point. I think 3:2 is pretty good.

I liked 3:2 because it is close to the IMAX ratio.

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Post by belltaco » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 4:01 AM UTC

datagram wrote: post #187

billziss wrote: post #183

I would much prefer it if manufacturers created a multi-screen setup with screens next to each other. I can imagine some form of folding or attachment mechanism that converts a single screen laptop to dual or triple screen. Since going "laptop only" many years ago the thing I miss the most is the multi-monitor setup that I used to have and would love it if I was eventually able to recreate this with my laptop. The id…

> I can imagine some form of folding of attachment mechanism that converts a single screen laptop to dual or triple screen. Razer is working on exactly this: https://www.razer.com/project-valerie

Almost 3 years gone and no updates? Is it a dead product?

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Post by belltaco » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 4:03 AM UTC

buboard wrote: post #180

smallbigfish wrote: post #129

I like those pictures. They only show the two hands that are holding the device. The third hand touching the screen is missing.

I believe u re supposed to use your nose

Emacs users are ready.

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Post by belltaco » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 4:05 AM UTC

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If you're already in physical proximity of them there is no need for a webex or any other remote connection. You just show them your screen.

That's not the point. The GP comment clearly referred to using the second screen to share with someone nearby, such that two grown adults don't have to huddle around a single screen, possibly sharing earbuds. If you know where someone lives, why have a phone when you can send them a letter, right? The point is, if you have two screens on your device, it would be useful to be able to unhinge one (possibly still tether…

This sounds like a solution for software rather than hardware. Everyone has a smartphone. I would rather not have others handling my devices.

>I would absolutely buy something like that for doing in person usability testing with prototypes in settings outside a usability lab.

This sounds like an extremely niche use case.

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Post by sundvor » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 4:32 AM UTC

dmix wrote: post #107

asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

I'm happy to see that Asus managed to find a way to keep the Escape key even while taking up way more space than Touchbar. Apple has no excuse. Still I'd personally rather use efficient tiling software + tabbing between spaces than have to look down at distractions. I'm amazed no major OS developer has tried to deliver this as an advanced mode. It's the type of thing that would benefit from direct OS integration. Mos…

That's an amazing looking laptop.

Especially when WSL2 is out ~next year, that extra screen above the keyboard would be amazing for displaying eg Terminal - with VSCode or Studio in the main screen. So many options.

The top model is not afraid of its price point, sadly, but it sure is a Hero configuration.

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Post by shaklee3 » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 4:56 AM UTC

sundvor wrote: post #269

dmix wrote: post #107

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I'm happy to see that Asus managed to find a way to keep the Escape key even while taking up way more space than Touchbar. Apple has no excuse. Still I'd personally rather use efficient tiling software + tabbing between spaces than have to look down at distractions. I'm amazed no major OS developer has tried to deliver this as an advanced mode. It's the type of thing that would benefit from direct OS integration. Mos…

That's an amazing looking laptop. Especially when WSL2 is out ~next year, that extra screen above the keyboard would be amazing for displaying eg Terminal - with VSCode or Studio in the main screen. So many options. The top model is not afraid of its price point, sadly, but it sure is a Hero configuration.

WSL is out, and you can get installation instructions here:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/wsl2-install