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Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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We live in an age where nearly everyone has a smartphone capable of recording video, satellites record the earth, and ground cameras record the sky. You either have to believe there is some massive conspiracy to cover the truth, or you are seeing some mundane phenomenon for which you just don't have the explanation available to you.

Ever take a picture of the beautiful moon with that snazzy phone ? Turns out like crap. I doubt even the best camera phone could catch meaningful video of an object at 20k ft

Actually turns out pretty good: https://i.imgur.com/0tyR6W0.jpg

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Before he passed away in the early 2000s, Peter Jennings did a really good documentary on UFOs called Seeing is Believing.

It's one of the most comprehensive and least weird/edge/conspiracy documentaries for its time and it's still interesting today. He goes into how pilots saw many unidentified objects going back several decades.

I think there are a lot of people who acknowledged these sightings do exist, but there has to be some explanation; some natural phenomenon we haven't identified and discovered.

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It's arguable that beings from another world actually exist although we now know that absent almost surely impossible ftl getting here would be a tremendous effort rendering the supposition that explorers are just popping in quite silly. Far from improving the situation positing other dimensions which we have no proof exist, and beings that we have no proof even can exist seems to make the theory much weaker not stro…

Our understanding of physics is still primitive compared to Type I, Type II, and Type III civilizations. Be humble.

It's fairly reasonable that infinitely advanced civilizations will never have ftl travel.

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As a mundane note, what is the reason that the audio quality in this video is so poor? It sounds like they're using walkie talkies from the 1970s. How can the US military, which spends more money than anyone else, have Navy pilots using heavily distorted audio communication systems that aren't even as good as a standard cell phone?

The audio overdub is fake is a likely explanation.

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The man went to school for biblical studies. Now I don't have a grudge against anyone with a BA in biblical studies, but I'm not going to respect their opinion on whether something requires quantum or nuclear science.

There are way too many layers to unpack your statement here, but I will say that if you have an open mind, you'll find most Christians are very pro-science where it's observable and repeatable using empirical methods. Nuclear physics certainly falls in that realm and I have no doubt Quantum mechanics too. Edit: unless you mean it's beyond the scope of his degree, then I can agree with that. Although even though I don…

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It seems like there is a historical pattern where people observe something they can't explain and then note that "it must mean X" maybe that is advances in something, or it's just magic, or aliens or whatever.... rather than "We just don't know enough to explain what we think we observed". And often later we find explanations that fit within the confines of things we understand just fine.

"We just don't know enough to explain what we think we observed" -- this is literally what UFO means.

> what UFO means

Technically yes, but that ignores the fact that words mean more than their dictionary definition. Words simply mean what people think they mean. If you're going to tell me that when someone says UFO that "aliens" doesn't come to mind in some way or form, I'll call you a liar.

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post #175

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If you're going to call his use of those terms incorrect, can you explain a craft travelling supersonic without jets or rockets, leaving no emissions, utilizing no airfoils, consistent with our understanding of physics?

well, a meteor could fit your description. but more generally, what he's saying is that the sensors are not infallible, especially when dealing with advanced materials.

I'm basically saying Occam's Razor here.

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The man went to school for biblical studies. Now I don't have a grudge against anyone with a BA in biblical studies, but I'm not going to respect their opinion on whether something requires quantum or nuclear science.

There are way too many layers to unpack your statement here, but I will say that if you have an open mind, you'll find most Christians are very pro-science where it's observable and repeatable using empirical methods. Nuclear physics certainly falls in that realm and I have no doubt Quantum mechanics too. Edit: unless you mean it's beyond the scope of his degree, then I can agree with that. Although even though I don…

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The man went to school for biblical studies. Now I don't have a grudge against anyone with a BA in biblical studies, but I'm not going to respect their opinion on whether something requires quantum or nuclear science.

There are way too many layers to unpack your statement here, but I will say that if you have an open mind, you'll find most Christians are very pro-science where it's observable and repeatable using empirical methods. Nuclear physics certainly falls in that realm and I have no doubt Quantum mechanics too. Edit: unless you mean it's beyond the scope of his degree, then I can agree with that. Although even though I don…

I’m sure he believes in QM, I just don’t think he has any educational background that would allow him to know what he was talking about (hence the grandparent encouraging we call him out on nonsense)

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Reading the linked Vice article >"Based on pilot accounts, encounters with these UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena) often involved complex flight patterns and advanced maneuvering, which demand extreme advances in quantum mechanics, nuclear science, electromagnetics, and thermodynamics.” - Walker > Republican representative Mark Walker of North Carolina This is laughably stupid. QM and nuclear science? Can we call…

If you're going to call his use of those terms incorrect, can you explain a craft travelling supersonic without jets or rockets, leaving no emissions, utilizing no airfoils, consistent with our understanding of physics?

In my OP I did. I suggested that it is not the craft doing those maneuvers but in fact that the sensors malfunctioned. Adversarial attacks on tracking systems is a huge. There's an entire field around it, called "stealth". Stealth just means fooling things. Eyes, radar, tracking systems, whatever. I would call these things pretty stealthy.

As to actually meeting your given qualifications and assuming the sensors were right and told EXACTLY what you specify, no I can't. But I can't explain that even when including QM and nuclear tech (or rather what I can even fathom by stretching well into the realms of almost possible). Even things like EM drives or anti-gravity should leave other types of signatures. (Note: I do have a physics degree. I also studied exotic propulsion devices.)

I'm going with Occam's Razor here and guessing at advanced stealth tech or simply the system failing.

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