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Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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Re: Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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> At some point we will end up diverting a sizable percentage of global productivity to either scrubbing CO2 or dealing with the effects of our failure Not necessarily. Current research indicates that stratospheric aerosol injections could lower global temperatures enough to offset greenhouse gas at a price tag of $3 billion per year. That's only 0.002% of world GDP. The technology's well-understood and the effects a…

Essentially it is covering earth with special clouds. Main problem here is that you can never remove them, if you keep things on earth unchanged then over decades of our everincreasing energy consumption and co2, methane etc production you just need more and more such protection, until the sun and blue sky is never seen. It is not resolving the problem, it is just hiding it more and more.

In our current political climate this would basically end with climate change denial winning and continuing to do business as usual until all fossil fuels have been burned.

Eventually we cannot afford to geoengineer the atmosphere any longer and then it is not just "good night" for humans but for all animals on the planet.

I feel this could end up being worse than our current path but it gives us more time for carbon capture to become economical.

Re: Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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Is it actually or is it just not liking farts and rationalizing reducing them?

I have a serious medical condition that significantly impacts the gut. Worse gas corresponds to more gut issues. Everything I've read (or heard from other people) suggests it is not just me, that this principle generalizes.

I also do have a medical condition that impacts the gut.

It's called Crohn's Disease.

Yes, gas correlates to it feeling more severe.

That does not mean that removing the gas (by eating seaweed) is beneficial to anything but reducing gas.

It's a simple correlation causation thing. Removing an effect doesn't mean the cause is removed.

I can get gas reducing pills at my local pharmacy, I have yet to have my doctor take me off immunosupressants for- or even mention them. So I am honestly wondering if there is any evidence for this being actually beneficial for health.

Re: Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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My company is currently working to grow Asparagopsis Taxiformis, here in the US, for this purpose. I agree with comments that we have big issues to tackle in regards to methane sinks failing, such as permafrost, and there are things to be said about people moving en masse to plant based diets – but, the future will always be a mix of tomorrow and today. Many people will still eat beef, and we need to ensure we reduce…

> not only does AT nearly eliminate methane from the bovine digestive process entirely when supplementing between half and two percent of daily diet – we are seeing early indications in research of some amazing additional benefits – improved milk production, increased immunity, improved food conversion ratio

Does this not rather imply that the cows are nutritionally deficient of something that this seaweed provides? Perhaps something in their ancestral environment?

Re: Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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My company is currently working to grow Asparagopsis Taxiformis, here in the US, for this purpose. I agree with comments that we have big issues to tackle in regards to methane sinks failing, such as permafrost, and there are things to be said about people moving en masse to plant based diets – but, the future will always be a mix of tomorrow and today. Many people will still eat beef, and we need to ensure we reduce…

If AT can do this for bovines, I wonder what the health benefits for us could be

Probably none, we aren't ruminants.

Re: Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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Disclaimer: I'm plant-based, and of course biased. What would it take people to realise that eating meat is just not good for the environment and rather than going through all these 'fixes', just stop eating meat? We're getting to the point where we're going to have to sacrifice some 'comforts' IMO.

Do you think it's been proven enough to be sure that plant based diet is better in terms of GHGE than meat based diet? There are also health concerns that come along with cutting meat entirely from ones diet. Would you say it's easy to hit all required protein's targets while eating only plant foods?

> Do you think it's been proven enough to be sure that plant based diet is better in terms of GHGE than meat based diet?

For me, yes.

> Would you say it's easy to hit all required protein's targets while eating only plant foods?

I find it relatively easy, although most days I also have a protein shake I take to top me up. It's not required but as a runner I prefer to have a little more protein than technically required.

Re: Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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No, it’s not. Most of the places where nuts are grown in industrial scale are water challenged. Animal agriculture is unsustainable at the scale we operate in today in the United States. Meat doesn’t equal feedlot, and pastured ruminant agriculture helps sustain the land.

That still leaves fruits and vegetables, which proportionally compose much more of a diet than nuts.

Yes, but I imagine the OP included nuts in the list because of their protein and fat - you don't find much of either in fruit and veg, with a few exceptions (avocado, soy beans).

Re: Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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> Nevermind that nuclear takes decades to approve and to build out - time that we just don't have. But hey, as long as we can feel good about it, right? A big part of this is bitterness over the way nuclear energy has been treated. We used to have decades, we spent billions upon billions on renewables while demonizing nuclear energy, and now we don't have decades. Hell, it's very likely that we'd have fusion by now i…

Yep. We had decades of time. We put those decades into what amounts to a boondoggle, with wind and solar and vague hopes that efficiency of generation and storage technology would just materialize with no real clear path. So we have basically nothing to show for the last 50 years. We could have invested in replacing fossil fuels with extant nuclear technologies and put a huge dent in the problem. And put more researc…

The problem with renewables is that we are not deploying enough of them. I don't see how you can say that we have nothing to show for the last 50 years.

The EU gets 55% of electricity from nuclear + renewables.

https://www.dw.com/image/42390018_401.png

Germany is playing on hard mode by shutting down it's nuclear power plants and the added renewables far exceed what little capacity they have shutdown so far.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/p...

Re: Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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I have a serious medical condition that significantly impacts the gut. Worse gas corresponds to more gut issues. Everything I've read (or heard from other people) suggests it is not just me, that this principle generalizes.

I also do have a medical condition that impacts the gut. It's called Crohn's Disease. Yes, gas correlates to it feeling more severe. That does not mean that removing the gas (by eating seaweed) is beneficial to anything but reducing gas. It's a simple correlation causation thing. Removing an effect doesn't mean the cause is removed. I can get gas reducing pills at my local pharmacy, I have yet to have my doctor take…

If your mental models are largely rooted in a modern medical model where you just add drugs to treat the symptoms, then it's easy to assume dietary changes work basically like taking a different medication. But that's not what my mental models are rooted in and I've previously seen things that recommend seaweed for various issues.

I don't personally consume seaweed, so I don't recall the details off the top of my head. But I have reason to believe that seaweed does more than just mitigate gas production.

Dietary changes are inherently hard to track because you basically can't isolate them. If you eat 2000 calories a day and you introduce a new food, it simultaneously displaces some other food you were eating. So it inherently has confounding factors. Are you doing better because of the new good you introduced? Or because if removing some other food that you aren't even paying attention to?

Foods are also not one dimensional. So you may think it's helping because of X detail but it's really helping for an unrelated reason.

I started with taking supplements. Taking supplements allows you to isolate a single factor and learn how your body reacts to more of X thing while the rest of your diet stays the same.

It takes a lot of research to find a bioavailable supplement that is tolerated well by the person in question and contains only one ingredient. So no multivitamins allowed.

Then you start one and only one supplement at a time. You take it for a minimum of one week before making any other changes.

Once you've learned what impact specific supplements have, it eventually becomes feasible to say "I need more of X nutrient, so I'm going to eat more of x, y and z foods which are foods I know I tolerate well and have a reasonable amount of the nutrient I'm needing."

Anything that actually makes a difference will have side effects. With a nutritional or dietary approach, the amount one needs is a moving Target because as nutrient deficiencies are redressed, need eventually goes down, which people tend to not expect when coming from the mental models offered by modern medicine of "just add drugs (don't think about throughputs or systemic changes at all).

My initial assertion was only that it's reasonable to wonder if this might benefit human health. I stand by that and I feel this line of inquiry is tangential to that assertion. It's not actually some kind of rebuttal of that point.

Re: Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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The mechanism is mostly understood, but not perfectly. Most people know that a cow has multiple stomachs. The second stomach is called a rumen. A cow chews it's cud (essentially big mashes of grass and grain, which a stomach cannot digest). This cud is passed through the first stomach and into the rumen, which contains beneficial, digestive bacteria. The bacteria in the rumen essentially ferment the cud and make comp…

Very interesting. This is probably not applicable in areas with melting permafrost, right? Aren't there also bacteria basically digesting ancient and previously frozen organic matter?

I think the methane is already there (having been produced a long time ago), just under ground. I could be mistaken. But even then I'm not sure how those algae would help ...

Re: Tasty Seaweed Reduces Cows’ Methane Emissions by 99%

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post #181

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where does the methane go instead? there must be some trade off somewhere?

If you put out are fire, where does the smoke go instead? The methane was produced by a bacteria, it is never produced to go anywhere if you get rid of the bacteria. The trade off might be poorer digestive efficiency if the cow relies on this bacteria to break down some common molecule. Although it could just as easily be the case that the bacteria was introducing inefficiencies.

> The trade off might be poorer digestive efficiency if the cow relies on this bacteria to break down some common molecule.

We drifted a little, but the top-level comment of this same thread started out to suggest that if any, the effect might even be positive for the cow.

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