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Re: Sacked by a Google algorithm

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Post by [deleted] »

chc wrote: post #176
pornel wrote: post #97

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Who will insure the insurer against Google blocking this business model? Also, given that clickfraud is a danger to Google's core business, Google likely spent enormous amount of money and engineering to have best detection possible. Beating Google at their own game will be difficult (i.e. insurer will lose money whenever fraudsters are better than insurer's detection, but Google catches them).

Why would Google block a business model of helping site owners to avoid click fraud? That's doing Google a favor and not even charging them for it.

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Post by phillian »

twistedanimator wrote: post #106
gthank wrote: post #79

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http://www.vimeo.com/ ?

He should put 30 second clips on YouTube and then have links to the full video on vimeo.

Is it possible to remove your content from YouTube once it's uploaded?

Were I the author, I would certainly not want Google continuing to profit from my labors if they ceased paying me.

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Post by numbchuckskills »

ddkrone wrote: post #222

I think this is fascinating. So if there is some site that I don't like that mostly generates revenue with the help of google ads a really roundabout way of taking them down would be to devise a scheme and raise their click-through rate through the roof and wait for whatever algorithm google uses to catch on and raise red flags.

that wouldn't work.

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Post by arn »

epoxyhockey wrote: post #245
arn wrote: post #223

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I make good money on Google Adsense. so do these people: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&b... http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=...

Look at the dates on those checks: 2005 and 2006! Now, go to pof.com and try to find yourself an AdSense ad today. They have their own ad network now: https://ads.pof.com Shoemoney still has AdSense ads, but has diversified his income stream quite a bit. I'd be willing to bet that he doesn't see anything near what he had been making from AdSense in 2005.

Look at the dates on those checks: 2005 and 2006!

Note that Google started offering Direct Deposit in 2005. :)

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Post by Shorel »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #237
Shorel wrote: post #171

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He should say to his readers/viewers: 'Buy from these ads.' End of story. (except that Adsense makes a huge percentage that he could be getting if he could contact the advertisers himself).

> 'Buy from these ads.' That is enticement to click-through the ads and in contravention of the Google policy. If this guy were to provide a great service and in response have a massive level of sales from ads because of such an enticement then he could be banned. Quite silly I'd say. It seems that the advertisers should have the control - "use sites flagged as having an unnaturally high CTR? [ ]" "use sites having e…

'Buy from here' and 'just click here' have the opposite effect.

If Google can't differentiate between the two cases, that's their loss in the long term as somebody with better algorithms could step in.

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Post by rossjudson »

ryanto wrote: post #226
rossjudson wrote: post #216

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It's not _entirely_ clear that asking users to click on ads is prohibited. That phrase is in section 11 a) ii, in the _Payment_ area, not in section 5, which lists Prohibited Uses. Perhaps it should be. Of interest is section 11's withholding clause, which states that the withholding is "pending Google's reasonable investigation". I don't know why it's there, if Google can terminate at its sole discretion at any time…

> In order to ensure a good experience for users and advertisers, publishers participating in the AdSense program may not: > Encourage users to click the Google ads using phrases such as "click the ads", "support us", "visit these links" or other similar language. from: https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#... I agree with you though, not everything is entirely clear. There is no way Google can…

I don't think Google is evil. I do think they exhibit (or have exhibited in the past) a pretty callous disregard for the devastating effects their careless customer service can have on small businesses. If "don't be evil" means anything, it means they have a duty to exhibit proper diligence when applying their policies. It all boils down to automation and cost savings. Google has to operate at an incredible scale. To drive the big bus they've decided they just need to run over people (businesses) some of the time. Back then I would have paid $10 or $20 just to be able to talk for 5 minutes to a human being. They could at least provide that option (and maybe they do, now).

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Post by stanleydrew »

qjz wrote: post #125
patio11 wrote: post #101

So, as an AdWords advertiser, here is my experience when someone gets "creative" with ways to encourage their audience to click on my ads: 1) I see a sudden spike in my daily spend and think "Yay, I'm going to get more customers!" 2) I go to Analytics and see a wave of people who spent seconds on the website and did not convert to the trial. 3) Google bills my credit card for hundreds of dollars. This has actually ha…

3) Google bills my credit card for hundreds of dollars. Did you complain? Were you issued a refund? I'm trying to understand how Google justifies withholding past earnings from the site owner and continuing to profit from the YouTube content. If they incur real costs from refunding advertisers, it makes some sense. But if they keep everyone's money, they have an incentive to abuse the system.

The money withheld from the content owner is returned to the advertisers. Google doesn't keep it.

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Post by shiftpgdn »

joshklein wrote: post #148
davidw wrote: post #127

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Anyone got advice on how to go out and do this? How to calculate fair prices?

Re: how to do this - watch this video of Gary Vaynerchuk picking up the phone and selling an ad: http://garyvaynerchuk.com/post/78967452/want-to-get-advertis... (it isn't rocket surgery!) Re: fair prices - Totally depends on your content, your market, and how targeted you are to the advertiser's audience. There are plenty of sub-$1 CPM display ads, and I've been a part of buying $170 CPM ads. But you should only worr…

$170 CPM?! Care to disclose what service that was for?
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