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Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by hosteur »

threezero wrote: post #242
SamWhited wrote: post #75

I thought this was just me and their stupid caption being impossible for even humans to solve; turns out I was just being gaslighted this entire time and they're just discriminating against Firefox users? How does the EU or someone not shut down this sort of anti-competative monopolostic nosense? I didn't think I could get more furious about having to struggle with these captions all day, but somehow I am. Please eve…

EU may end up dealing with it, they need complaints first. You’d be amazed how few people fill out complaints with the government. I just filed a complaint about this with the US department of justice antitrust division, feel free to do so as well so they realize how abusive this is!

Care to share your complaint?

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by swebs »

dessant wrote: post #39

I was going through the same ordeal as a Firefox user, so I've made Buster to solve challenges and reclaim some of that lost time: https://github.com/dessant/buster If you're a developer, please consider replacing reCAPTCHA on your site with an alternative. reCAPTCHA discriminates against people with disabilities and those who seek privacy, and it gaslights you into thinking you did not solve the challenge correctly,…

Honest question: can we start a class action lawsuit for psychological damages due to this? I've experienced this firsthand when trying to use a service through a VPN. I spent legitimately 5 minutes trying to get through only to get "Please try again" every time even though I selected them meticulously. It is infuriating. I thought I was going crazy

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by jerf »

jandrese wrote: post #208
mikro2nd wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a third problem: quite a bit of the stuff they present is (almost) uniquely American and presents a recognition challenge in other cultural contexts. That yellow vehicle? Looks nothing like a bus in most other parts of the world. And so the rest of the world gets to learn what an American Bus looks like... Not, I think, what was intended.

Or it tells you to pick out pictures of cars and shows you a pickup truck. Now you have to figure out if people would call that a car or not. How about a delivery truck? A motorcycle? Or it will ask for pictures of crosswalks, and you have to decide if 3 pixels of a crosswalk in the corner of one of the pictures counts.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm fairly sure the answer to those questions don't count. I know I've gotten some reCAPTCHAs "wrong" and gotten marked as a human. It's picking up on a lot of signals, not just whether or not you're "right". So, the good news is you can relax, and safely rewrite all the questions to "Do I think this is a store front?" or "Do I think this square counts as a crosswalk?" or whatever without loss.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by dmix »

michaelt wrote: post #149
SamWhited wrote: post #75

I thought this was just me and their stupid caption being impossible for even humans to solve; turns out I was just being gaslighted this entire time and they're just discriminating against Firefox users? How does the EU or someone not shut down this sort of anti-competative monopolostic nosense? I didn't think I could get more furious about having to struggle with these captions all day, but somehow I am. Please eve…

they're just discriminating against Firefox users? At least part of the behaviour shown in the video depends on factors like cookies, IP address, and whether you have features like anti-fingerprinting protection turned on. [1] Recaptcha is frustrating and I dislike it, especially the slow fade-ins and multiple challenges, but if you repeat the test shown in the video you won't find it 100% repeatable just because you…

The website author seems to be Russian which might be an indicator. But not a good enough excuse for such terrible UX.

Using Firefox shouldn't be an indicator of anything malicious.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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AJ007 wrote: post #231
michaelt wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they're just discriminating against Firefox users? At least part of the behaviour shown in the video depends on factors like cookies, IP address, and whether you have features like anti-fingerprinting protection turned on. [1] Recaptcha is frustrating and I dislike it, especially the slow fade-ins and multiple challenges, but if you repeat the test shown in the video you won't find it 100% repeatable just because you…

If it can be statistically proven that this is occurring more on Firefox than Chrome then Google has a really, really big problem. The burden to make sure it isn’t is on them, most especially in the EU. Google is facing a very real future where they will have no web browser and possibly no operating system.

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Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by ehsankia »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #214
ehsankia wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would the website code communicate with the browser, unless it was some open API you can refer to. As for "in conjunction with Gmail", yes that's called cookies.

Goole websites (and frames in other websites) share information with Chrome browser. That's what the Chrome Login brouhaha was all about.

From my understanding, that's just expanded cookies. The Chrome frame can see the cookie from your Gmail, and also log you in the browser, and vice versa. Nothing magical going on, just cookies.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by earenndil »

ChrisSD wrote: post #218
Izkata wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1) The images are so blurry and ambiguous it's really hard to get right, it feels like a test designed to make you fail On top of that, I think some of the training sets are wrong. Multiple times I've been asked to find traffic signs, but it would only let me pass when including street signs.

There's also the issue that it will lie to you if the alogrithm decides it simply doesn't like you. Which means you'll end up doing at least a couple of rounds before it decides to let you through.

Rather, if it does like you (because you frequently get it right), it'll ask you to give it extra data.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by yumraj »

buildzr wrote: post #130
yumraj wrote: post #43

Turbo Tax uses Google Captcha when trying to import information from financial institutions. While filing taxes, on several occasions I had to just give up and try again after several hours because the Captcha won't let me pass through and after several attempts Turbo Tax will throw an error - to come back later. It was literally a Nightmare

Interesting, I wonder if this is something TurboTax itself is doing or if it's something the banks are going and TurboTax is making you bypass it in order to scrape it.

Not really sure, it was shown after the credentials for the financial institution were entered.

However, it was shown for each financial institution. So it is possible that the financial institutions (or the API provider) were doing it, though it is equally likely that turbo tax just has a bad implementation. Because TT can make an assumption that I'm a human, I wonder if there is a regulatory requirement or the API provider is doing that.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by ferdek »

S_A_P wrote: post #80

It looks like the user missed one fire hydrant in the middle left square. If you look closely there is a tiny fire hydrant in that picture.

I laughed when mouse hovered over it like the user was deliberately looking for fire hydrant on this one and then just moved on with rage, waiting for other images to load :D.

I honestly think this was the reason why Captcha's bot was so passive-aggressive :D

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by grinsekatze »

michaelt wrote: post #149
SamWhited wrote: post #75

I thought this was just me and their stupid caption being impossible for even humans to solve; turns out I was just being gaslighted this entire time and they're just discriminating against Firefox users? How does the EU or someone not shut down this sort of anti-competative monopolostic nosense? I didn't think I could get more furious about having to struggle with these captions all day, but somehow I am. Please eve…

they're just discriminating against Firefox users? At least part of the behaviour shown in the video depends on factors like cookies, IP address, and whether you have features like anti-fingerprinting protection turned on. [1] Recaptcha is frustrating and I dislike it, especially the slow fade-ins and multiple challenges, but if you repeat the test shown in the video you won't find it 100% repeatable just because you…

I just wasted ~15 minutes on doing the disqus login captcha under different conditions .. turns out that as soon as uMatrix is enabled (and blocks 18 cookies from google.com and 5 more from www.google.com), it starts to act up and get annoying..at least for me.

It then takes between 1 minute and 1 minute 30 to get past the recaptcha when blocking those cookies - and I was certain to be 100% correct in most cases and it kept asking me to solve more and more ..

most of the time spent solving the captchas is from the countless '4s fade ins' via inline style when cookies are blocked (as opposed to 1s fade ins via css, when cookies are set).

I'm curious why they would add 3s to the fade in if their cookies are blocked .. does that help to fight off bots, or does google just want to punish me for blocking their cookies?

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