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What island are you on?
A Malaysian island in the South China Sea.
That's weird. I met an unusually high number of US people in Kuala Lumpur.
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A Malaysian island in the South China Sea.
That's weird. I met an unusually high number of US people in Kuala Lumpur.
Mileage may vary I suppose, but I am in KL right now to see my doctor and have been staying at a friend's hostel for the past week in a very touristic area.
I have been socializing quite a bit and have not met a single American the entire week.
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That doesn't seem to prevent millions of them from traveling every year.
If you have money and a clean background you can go anywhere you want (with some exceptions), regardless of your passport. There are companies you can contact who will handle the entire visa process for you.
This is unfortunately not true for most people coming from the Arab world.
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> But that circles back to my original question. How does the gov not have the power to boot you out (or jail) just from committing the terrorist act in itself? Because they have to prove it in court. And the defendant can ask for a lawyers. And then both the cost, and the level of proof required is a lot higher. Will the US have enough time and resources to go to the originating country and inspect all the evidence,…
To prove that they lied on the form, wouldn't they have to legally prove that he is a terrorist and go through the same legal process which you said will be avoided? It seems pointless.
I believe it is 1) different venue for trial (administrative vs a criminal case) and possibly 2) different standard of proof, especially for non permanent residents.
(Not a lawyer nor an immigration expert on US law, though.)
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> I understand that you can add extra convictions for lying on these applications You simply get kicked out pretty much immediately if they find out you lied. It can mean also the revocation of citizenship as it is now considered obtained fraudulently. That all can be done rather "easily" since it's procedural, without a long legal battle involved. Now all kinds of "funny" things can happen there. Say someone belongs…
That one seems pretty simple. If you played for a team, you were a member of that team. If 10 years after you leave, that team goes on to win the championship, you are not and were never part of a "championship team."
Terrorist groups don’t have formal rosters the way sports teams do. It is sort of like “former intelligence officer”. It is definitely a strong argument (strengthened by time and distance separation, degree of clear separation or renunciation, etc) but it would almost certainly cause delays and substantial extra investigation, if nothing else.
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#266As any US Visa applicant can attest to, the DS-160 is already some of the most annoying form you have to fill - in fact for most people it's less pleasurable than doing 1040. In addition to asking for details of every school you went to, every job you had, every country you've been to, they ask you questions like this: >> Have you ever violated, or engaged in a conspiracy to violate, any law relating to controlled su…
Thinking about it in network security terms, why shouldn't prospective new immigrants and/or visitors face higher scrutiny? It seems to me that they represent a higher threat to US citizens living in the US than random foreigners outside US borders, because of their "insider" status. Also, once they are present inside the US, they can potentially avail themselves of rights given to US persons. Therefore, such privile…
These aren't questions for prospective new immigrants. These are for visa holders. There are a good number of folks that must get a visa for a vacation, for example. These are questions for random foreigners!
In general, immigrants are less of a threat than a citizen, by the way.
This isn't even actual scrutiny either. These are stupid questions. If someone answers yes to being a terrorist, for example, congrats. You've barred someone stupid from entering the country. This is the same tactic used by "nigerian" scammers.
I'll add that some of these are completely outside of a person's control: Things your parents did. I can only imagine having a parent involved in human smuggling and then being barred from travel because of it.
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#267As any US Visa applicant can attest to, the DS-160 is already some of the most annoying form you have to fill - in fact for most people it's less pleasurable than doing 1040. In addition to asking for details of every school you went to, every job you had, every country you've been to, they ask you questions like this: >> Have you ever violated, or engaged in a conspiracy to violate, any law relating to controlled su…
> And don't get me started on the stupid fact that you cannot renew your US visa within the US Ever been to Korea? Ever had a Chinese visa? How about India on a visa? If Indians want an easier time with US visas, then the Indian government should stop with their draconian visa process. Chinese and Korean work visas aren’t much better. Americans trying to get work visas for the EU also have a very difficult time as we…
I've had no issues living in Norway for the past 5 years and I'm not sure if I've ever been asked if I were a terrorist. I certainly haven't been asked for my social media information. Not only that, but I could visit Europe for 2 months without a visa. No paperwork, nothing. I had passport control in Copenhaven, but nothing whatsoever in Norway. In contrast, a Norwegian citizen must fill stuff out to have the same luxury in the US.
I'm pretty sure you can't simply "get" a 5 year visa without paperwork, fees, and other such things either. IT isn't that you can't get them in other countries, it is simply that they are called different things - usually something that alludes to being a resident (which is correct).
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Correct. A lot of people wanted an "outsider" and to "drain the swamp". In other words they don't feel represented by their elected officials, or treated fairly by the government, and they want things to change. Despite this desire being co-opted and twisted by Trump's campaign and Fox News, the underlying feelings are valid for a lot of people across the USA. The Democratic party should have realized this back durin…
> All that good energy and hope broke like a wave against that huge political cliff, and had far less impact than everyone needed. He seemed happy enough with the party-line vote in the Senate on the first major bill of his presidency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvest... And he wasn't too concerned about bipartisanship when it came to passing the ACA only a year later, arguably the biggest…
The ACA is already a result of a lot and even more compromise. It's even modeled after a Republican plan implemented in a red state. (In Mass. when governed by Mitt Romney, who at first vetoed it then took credit for it.)
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UK is not in Schengen zone - so it is not "Europe" - even EU citizens go through customs when entering UK (unlike within Schengen zone).
That's not what I'm getting at, I'm not debating Europe vs "Europe". It's when a Europe area country does something, everyone seems to give them a pass. When the US does something similar, it's viewed with a different perspective.
Which country in Europe has has policies affecting 300M+ people (domestic) and eagerly exports it's policies to other countries?