Negotiations Failed: How Oracle Killed Java EE

Post by pjmlp » Sat, May 04, 2019, 5:36 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #114

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You mean the servers Apple has running on WebObjects, JEE and Clojure for iTunes, Apple Maps and their iCloud?

iTunes is based on a 17 year old code base with a framework that hasn’t been updated in a decade. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Java. Seeing that Apple started a project to rewrite Maps back in 2014, hopefully they didn’t decide to rewrite it using WebObjects ( https://appleinsider.com/articles/14/07/01/apple-overhauling... )

Post by pjmlp » Sat, May 04, 2019, 5:41 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #250

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Good luck running C# on the 100% OSes and hardware that runs Java VS97 better than Eclipse, without additional plugins? Alternative universe.

Eclipse was slow and had the usual non native Java smell that all cross platform GUIs have - especially on computers back then. But even now, Eclipse is sluggish compared to Visual Studio.

Post by icegreentea2 » Sat, May 04, 2019, 5:44 PM UTC

lkrubner wrote: post #253

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For me it's more a lesson about how unanimous votes, or unanimous - N can become problematic. In the EU the same is happening. Poland and Hungary have found a loophole allowing them to ignore EU rules and sanctions while still profiting from subsidies and market access. All sanctions against a member state require unanimous-1 (all states except the sanctioned member) votes and Poland is vetoing all sanctions against…

The irony is that Poland was once the #1 or #2 power in Europe, but they were destroyed by unanimous voting. Want to raise taxes to build an army to repel foreign invasion? Everyone agrees, except that one person too far from Russia to care, and the taxes get vetoed, so Russia wins, thus Poland was destroyed. The Poles know how dangerous unanimity is.

Post by pjmlp » Sat, May 04, 2019, 5:52 PM UTC

jayd16 wrote: post #231

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First C# needs to get into all the platforms where there is a Java compiler. And a proper story for something similar to Swing, not even considering JavaFX here. There is Xamarin, but again, the platforms with Java compilers available. And I am stating this as someone that works daily within .NET eco-system.

They have working (but maybe not production ready) AOT and JIT LLVM targets for .NET Core. Where can Java go that C# can't?

Post by pjmlp » Sat, May 04, 2019, 5:53 PM UTC

snarfy wrote: post #168

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First C# needs to get into all the platforms where there is a Java compiler. And a proper story for something similar to Swing, not even considering JavaFX here. There is Xamarin, but again, the platforms with Java compilers available. And I am stating this as someone that works daily within .NET eco-system.

Cross platform mattered a lot more when you were dealing with Sparc, MIPS, Alpha, PowerPC, Intel along with AIX, Sys-V, BSD, Solaris, HP-UX, etc. Today your server is x64 and it's running Linux. Your client is a browser.