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Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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Re: Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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Let's make that Apple's problem and not that of the people they kill. If the phone cannot distinguish driver from passenger, shut it off.

Should it also shut off for the millions of train passengers?

The Apple device considers you "in a moving car" when you're connected to the car's bluetooth or CarPlay. Doesn't trigger in a moving vehicle based on location deltas.

Re: Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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What is the big deal with phone use at a red light? It will, at worst, hold up traffic slightly.

What should possibly need your attention when stopped at a red light? If it's something frivolous then it can wait. If it's important then are you really able to compartmentalize it? Will you be able to put the conversation out of your mind, or ghost your chat partner as soon as traffic starts moving?

Are you saying people shouldn't be driving if they have something on their mind or a passenger they're chatting with?

Re: Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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Its tempting to glance at the text and see if they're expecting you/changed plans. It's urgent because you need to make an exit decision soon depending on the answer. Its pointless to pull over because that takes longer than making a mistake about the exit. Its a drug, the potential to optimize your plans on the fly is so attractive that even folks that swear they'd never text and drive, do it the moment it has utili…

> see if they're expecting you/changed plans Where is this culture where it's acceptable to change plans on a guest that is driving to your house while they are driving?

E.g. you leave for the group lunch before they decided where its going to be (you were working at home and it'll be somewhere downtown).

Going to 'somebody's house' has all but disappeared from modern culture, for most of the population. Maybe at Christmas.

Re: Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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Its tempting to glance at the text and see if they're expecting you/changed plans. It's urgent because you need to make an exit decision soon depending on the answer. Its pointless to pull over because that takes longer than making a mistake about the exit. Its a drug, the potential to optimize your plans on the fly is so attractive that even folks that swear they'd never text and drive, do it the moment it has utili…

> Its tempting to glance at the text and see if they're expecting you/changed plans. My desire to avoid the inconvenience of some extra driving (if I drive all the way to the destination only to leave because plans changed) is not more valuable than other people's lives. There's no good reason to be on your phone while your car is in motion — absolutely none.

But its an explanation of why people are tempted to do just that. You may miss the event entirely if delay is too large.

Re: Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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What should possibly need your attention when stopped at a red light? If it's something frivolous then it can wait. If it's important then are you really able to compartmentalize it? Will you be able to put the conversation out of your mind, or ghost your chat partner as soon as traffic starts moving?

Are you saying people shouldn't be driving if they have something on their mind or a passenger they're chatting with?

Interestingly, chatting with a physical passenger in the car is an entirely different level of distraction, from trying to chat with someone you can't see on the other end of the phone. For some reason (invoking visual synthesis to imagine how they are responding?) the phone case takes quite a bit more mental effort.

Try putting 'blinders' on when talking to a passenger and driving normally. E.g. put a hand up so you can't see them, even out of the corner of your eye. This A/B test (for me anyway) ups the mental effort 2X or more.

Re: Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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I'm not sure what lane surfing is. But aside from the 130mph remark - changing lane to maintain speed is how you're supposed to drive on a motorway/freeway. So long as you're within the speed limit, of course. Braking is a freeway anti-pattern.

In the UK passing on the right (well left for us of course) is illegal and called undertaking. I know it's not illegal here but it still winds me up! I think it's actually really quite dangerous to have cars passing you on both sides when you're already going 5 over to "fit in". It'd be much better if like in Europe people pulled out to overtake and back in when done and that lane surfers had a little a patience now…

>undertaking. I know it's not illegal here

I believe it varies state to state.

Agree that the US test is laughably easy to pass compared to the UK, though.

It wouldn't be possible to undertake if folks had proper lane discipline in the first place, although the UK also has it's fair share of Middle Lane Morons

I've heard speak of 'the orbit game' - legally pass the MLM on the left, then pull across into the right lane, slow down so they pass you, then pull into the right lane and pass them again, see how many times you can 'orbit' them

Re: Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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Could you supply said data? Also, in what way is it safer? Less collisions? Less damage? Less fatalities?

Small nit you may not be aware of: use 'fewer' for nouns which can be counted (collisions, fatalities), and 'less' for nouns which can't (damage).

While you seem to have started a grammar war complete with grammar Nazis, I appreciate the feedback.

Re: Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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Honest question. Why do you feel you need any device when driving? Other than for navigation I suppose. As a confessed user do you actually feel it's important to have access to a device while you drive?

I like to be connected I guess. Waiting in traffic sucks, it’s boring as hell. My commute is 1.5 hours each way. To be honest, I want a self lane following car. Reliably keep distance from car in front, keep the current lane, don’t exceed speed limit. Don’t bumps into objects, stop on traffic lights 5 simple things. I feel like this should be doable reliably in the next decade. I don’t want to drive. I don’t have ano…

So you want better public transportation.

Re: Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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post #234

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Honest question. Why do you feel you need any device when driving? Other than for navigation I suppose. As a confessed user do you actually feel it's important to have access to a device while you drive?

I like to be connected I guess. Waiting in traffic sucks, it’s boring as hell. My commute is 1.5 hours each way. To be honest, I want a self lane following car. Reliably keep distance from car in front, keep the current lane, don’t exceed speed limit. Don’t bumps into objects, stop on traffic lights 5 simple things. I feel like this should be doable reliably in the next decade. I don’t want to drive. I don’t have ano…

I have all these features in a 2016 Golf GTI (except traffic light one). The future isn't that far away for the masses.

Re: Phone Addicts Are the New Drunk Drivers

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As others have said, as a motorcyclist, my number one concern on the road is a person using their mobile device while driving. I am less worried about road rage (which is still a top concern for me) than distracted drivers. I see it literally hundreds of times a day. People are driving their cars at over 70mph while texting. They use instagram and facebook at stoplights. They text or call while driving too fast down…

I'm a motorcyclist as well, and I've often wondered about trying to pitch a vigilante hardware product to our police force. I'd build a product around a button that when pressed marks the previous 15s plus the next 15s of helmet-cam footage as a candidate, then uploads that somewhere when the camera is next being charged. If the police would accept a clear camera recording of a numberplate plus a person using their p…

In Seattle, the police literally couldn't care less. They've even stopped enforcing penalties for people blocking crossings/the box. When the police decide not to enforce laws, in any other country that is called corruption. I now have a helmet-cam for walking into work. Even with clear footage of people running red lights and almost mowing over pedestrians, the police won't do shit. It'll take a wave of pedestrian deaths for anything to change.
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