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VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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Re: VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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So how would the US government force Insorg, which is Russian, to log?

which is Russian That's a bit like moving from Phoenix to Pyongyang to escape the unconscionable oppression of your local HOA.

Yeah, but why would Russia care about me?

Re: VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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Damn. I don't even know where to begin. It's true that VPN services at best provide less anonymity than Tor does. And that some, such as HideMyAss (which pwned that LulzSec dude) provide none. But PIA clearly does, as demonstrated now in two criminal investigations.[0] Of course, in both cases, defendants pwned themselves through poor OPSEC. But at least PIA didn't give them up. And the Facebook example. Nobody payin…

If we talking OPSEC, PIA of out, as any other with your payment info. You'll need to have few different anonymous VPNs and self hosted VPNs/proxies to make random chains. Pay by coins only, throwaway emails.

Huh?

No VPN service has my "payment info". Or at least, not any meaningful payment info. As you say, I use email accounts created through Tor, and pay with Bitcoin that's been mixed at least three times through Tor, using a different Whonix instance and a different mixer for each mix.

Re: VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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post #255

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which is Russian That's a bit like moving from Phoenix to Pyongyang to escape the unconscionable oppression of your local HOA.

Yeah, but why would Russia care about me?

Because if you are going to carry out a propaganda campaign to destabilize or realign , then being able to identify them interests and vulnerabilities of each particular propaganda target is useful. Modern international propaganda includes what is exactly, or is equivalent to, targeted advertising, and everything useful to such advertising is useful to nation-state propagandists.

We've actually seen this in action throughout the West, including but not limited to the US, recently, so it's not merely a theoretical concern. We are no longer in a world where you need to be personally important to be a target of foreign nation-state information gathering and targeting, because the same factors that make that scale for private actors and your home government make it scale for foreign governments that may potentially be opposed to or wish to influence your home government.

Re: VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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post #93

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> Possible options include Tor I thought most folks believe that the NSA/CIA/some other TLA has control of more than 50% of the exit nodes, which should be enough to reconstruct the sources of most traffic.

It seems rival agencies (Chinese, Russian) should be interested in doing the same, or at least denying NSA this capability. I mean adding some exit nodes is not exactly expensive, seems like a low hanging fruit, doesn’t it?

Yeah, that's another argument. The NSA competes with its counterparts to own Tor infrastructure. And that competition prevents any one from owning enough to pwn users.

And it's no accident. Tor was designed that way.

Re: VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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post #16

Damn. I don't even know where to begin. It's true that VPN services at best provide less anonymity than Tor does. And that some, such as HideMyAss (which pwned that LulzSec dude) provide none. But PIA clearly does, as demonstrated now in two criminal investigations.[0] Of course, in both cases, defendants pwned themselves through poor OPSEC. But at least PIA didn't give them up. And the Facebook example. Nobody payin…

> And the Facebook example. Nobody paying attention expects a VPN service (or even Tor) to hide their identity if they login using their real name. That's just stupid. A lot of users care about privacy, but have no idea how computer networking works. It's hard for these users to understand whether they're private or not. If you don't believe me, check out the tech support and recommendations over at old.reddit.com/r/…

Users are all too clueless, sadly enough. And too lazy, as well. I do what I can, but it's a drop in the bucket.

Re: VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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post #255

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which is Russian That's a bit like moving from Phoenix to Pyongyang to escape the unconscionable oppression of your local HOA.

Yeah, but why would Russia care about me?

Why would the US care about you? And that's on top of the fact that the policy and regulatory regime in Russia has (over some years and quite openly) moved towards essentially full legal interception capability of everyone's internet comms. Roskomnadzor is out there actually doing the stuff the imaginary messageboard NSA does.

Re: VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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post #255

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which is Russian That's a bit like moving from Phoenix to Pyongyang to escape the unconscionable oppression of your local HOA.

Yeah, but why would Russia care about me?

Clarification: The point is to use nested VPN chains, alternating between jurisdictions that don't readily cooperate. And ideally, are virtually at war. Interleaved with ~neutral jurisdictions, to reduce oversight.

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19609067

Re: VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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post #266

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Yeah, but why would Russia care about me?

Why would the US care about you? And that's on top of the fact that the policy and regulatory regime in Russia has (over some years and quite openly) moved towards essentially full legal interception capability of everyone's internet comms. Roskomnadzor is out there actually doing the stuff the imaginary messageboard NSA does.

What mostly matters is that the US and Russia aren't exactly on speaking terms.

Re: VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would the US care about you? And that's on top of the fact that the policy and regulatory regime in Russia has (over some years and quite openly) moved towards essentially full legal interception capability of everyone's internet comms. Roskomnadzor is out there actually doing the stuff the imaginary messageboard NSA does.

What mostly matters is that the US and Russia aren't exactly on speaking terms.

Does this one end with you saying 'The Aristocrats!' because I really don't follow at all.

Re: VPN – Very Precarious Narrative

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post #269

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What mostly matters is that the US and Russia aren't exactly on speaking terms.

Does this one end with you saying 'The Aristocrats!' because I really don't follow at all.

The Aristocrats? Lost me there, and I refuse to search.

It's really very simple. The VM host that I'm using connects to a mainstream VPN service, which is quite popular for torrenting and such, using a server in the EU. Through that VPN tunnel, I connect with a different VPN service, which operates in someplace like Russia.

Then, through that tunnel, I connect with a third VPN service, which operates in some ~neutral country. And so on, until I'm satisfied, or the latency blows up. I'm happy with 0.5-1 second, for whatever that's worth.

After the third VPN or so, I typically connect with the Tor network. And if I'm really feeling paranoid, I add some hidden service VPS proxies, just for fun.[0] Or a homage to Kevin Mitnick,if you like.

0) https://www.ivpn.net/privacy-guides/onion-ssh-hosts-for-logi...

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