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Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by black-tea »

mejari wrote: post #243
black-tea wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lengths people will go to to disagree with something that makes them uncomfortable... I guess it's also not illegal to break into somebody's house because, you know, you can do it with a court order. And your other point is about five years not being recent? So, OK, given that five years is ages ago, and it's not technically illegal, why do you think France passed this law?

Well, it's very strange. I'm trying to look up more about it but at least the first 5 pages of google results are all from MRA/redpill type hate groups, so it seems this is one of those issues that has been latched onto to create anger around without providing much actual reasoning. Also, not sure why you feel the need to attack me personally, as if I'm going to "lengths" by pointing out when you've said incorrect th…

There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group". Predictable behaviour of a non-thinking person.

Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from French officials that you did. I don't know how that can be interpreted as anything but "we know a large proportion of men aren't raising their own children, but we need them to or society starts to fall apart".

The reason you only find talk from "hate groups" on Google is, they are the only ones talking but it in English.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by ryanlol »

fastball wrote: post #197
ryanlol wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been to prisons where you can simply walk out of the door, are those not prisons? Yours is the weirdest argument imaginable, he's forced to stay in the embassy or he'll be arrested. That is exactly how essentially all western prisons work, some of them might throw minor obstacles on the way to prevent you from walking out but it's rarely that hard.

People in prison have had a trial. He has not had a trial, so he neither belongs in prison nor doesn't belong in a prison. He needs to have a trial first. Do you use the same argument for people that jump bail? "He's on the run because if he wasn't on the run he would be arrested and face trial, therefore he has no choice in the matter?" Because that's the argument you're making, and it's a ridiculous one.

>He has not had a trial, so he neither belongs in prison nor doesn't belong in a prison. He needs to have a trial first.

The British government has already kept him confided for 7 years, what good would a trial serve at this point?

>Do you use the same argument for people that jump bail? Because that's the argument you're making, and it's a ridiculous one.

In practice this "ridiculous" argument is probably the very reason why the punishments for jumping bail tend to be quite low, no?

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by ryanlol »

threeseed wrote: post #176
ryanlol wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been to prisons where you can simply walk out of the door, are those not prisons? Yours is the weirdest argument imaginable, he's forced to stay in the embassy or he'll be arrested. That is exactly how essentially all western prisons work, some of them might throw minor obstacles on the way to prevent you from walking out but it's rarely that hard.

If you walk out of a prison you are guaranteed to be arrested, charged, have a lengthier sentence and then placed in a prison where you can’t simple walk out. Assange is in a diplomatic embassy. He can walk out. He may not even be arrested, detained or extradited. In fact nobody knows what will happen.

>He may not even be arrested, detained or extradited. In fact nobody knows what will happen.

Ah yes, all those cops have spent years outside the embassy just for fun.

>Police said in a statement there is an active warrant for Assange’s arrest and that the police are “obliged to execute that warrant should he leave the Embassy.”

Either the Police are being dishonest or you are.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by ryanlol »

fastball wrote: post #196
ryanlol wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partisan? Hasn't he always been quite transparent about his desire to destroy the US? If Assange is partisan who is he partisan for?

Russia?

Why Russia? Does being anti-US automatically make you pro-Russia? Does accepting aid from Russia against the US automatically make you pro-Russian?

I'd imagine that WL just doesn't care very much about Russia, an insignificant, poor country with relatively little international influence.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by tinus_hn »

toyg wrote: post #146
clintonb wrote: post #5

> WikiLeaks cited the unidentified person as saying the planned expulsion is a response to the organization’s recent tweet linking to a website that alleged money laundering and corruption during Ecuadorian President Lenin Moreno’s time as United Nations special envoy for the disabled in Geneva. Foreign Minister Jose Valencia said last month that the government was “very surprised” by that and other actions by Assang…

Assange has not been on the wikileaks staff for 6 months, reportedly. It’s not even clear whether he has internet access anymore. And obviously, if they had been silent on this matter people would now throw accusations of a convenient coverup.

Is it known if he actually still is in the embassy?

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by mejari »

black-tea wrote: post #261
mejari wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's very strange. I'm trying to look up more about it but at least the first 5 pages of google results are all from MRA/redpill type hate groups, so it seems this is one of those issues that has been latched onto to create anger around without providing much actual reasoning. Also, not sure why you feel the need to attack me personally, as if I'm going to "lengths" by pointing out when you've said incorrect th…

There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group". Predictable behaviour of a non-thinking person. Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from French officials that you did. I don't know how that can be interpreted as anything but "we know a large proportion of men aren't raising their own children, but we need them to or societ…

>There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group"

I don't believe I've ever said something is a hate group because it makes me uncomfortable. I labeled the things I mentioned as hate groups because they fix the criteria as such. Why are you asserting my feelings on the subject?

>Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from French officials that you did. I don't know how that can be interpreted as anything but "we know a large proportion of men aren't raising their own children, but we need them to or society starts to fall apart".

I mean, the actual reading of the quote is an interpretation that doesn't say that. You may not believe it but don't be obtuse by ignoring words in front of your face.

>The reason you only find talk from "hate groups" on Google is, they are the only ones talking but it in English.

And you don't find that at all suspicious that maybe your view on this is being shaped by a very specifically pushed narrative? Are you reading French articles on the subject?

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by AntiTechTechie »

mejari wrote: post #266
black-tea wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group". Predictable behaviour of a non-thinking person. Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from French officials that you did. I don't know how that can be interpreted as anything but "we know a large proportion of men aren't raising their own children, but we need them to or societ…

>There you go again: something makes you uncomfortable, it's a "hate group" I don't believe I've ever said something is a hate group because it makes me uncomfortable. I labeled the things I mentioned as hate groups because they fix the criteria as such. Why are you asserting my feelings on the subject? >Let's not forget what I was talking about which is lies holding together society. I saw the same quotes from Frenc…

> I labeled the things I mentioned as hate groups because they fix the criteria as such.

How exactly do MRAs fit the criteria?

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by wmil »

coldtea wrote: post #104
GVIrish wrote: post #98

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The system is not perfect, but the reason Manning went to jail is because she made an indiscriminate leak of secrets of which she did not review before she released them. Had she only released material on stuff she had thought to be a crime, then there would have been a much stronger case to be made as a whistle blower. It would be like if someone working at a hospital exposed a medical fraud scheme but leaked all th…

> The system is not perfect, but the reason Manning went to jail is because she made an indiscriminate leak of secrets of which she did not review before she released them. And what gives a government a right to have secrets in the first place? Except itself of course...

Normal operation of government is going to require some secrets.

One of the things leaked by Manning was blunt assessments of foreign figures by diplomatic staff. That's exactly the sort of thing that needs to be kept secret for international relations to function.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by namdnay »

village-idiot wrote: post #205
namdnay wrote: post #128

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> designed from it's inception to selectively leak information with a clearly biased perspective What was "biased" about the early wikileaks? It was a general repository of leaked documents uploaded and commented by users

What they chose to host, and what they didn’t. I don’t believe that Wikileaks has ever posted anything about the Russian government, despite there being a massive amount of corruption to expose there.

?!?! of course they did, the early wikileaks was full of documents on corruption in russia

PS: wikileaks didn't "post" documents. users posted documents on wikileaks. it was an anonymous platform

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