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Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Zuckerberg and facebook are just lobbying for government to take responsibility for the things that they, as civilians, and Facebook as a public corporation are responsible for – not screwing up so many people's lives that the aggregate turns into a societal problem. The intention here is to create legal precedent as a shield against future prosecution. If the government mandates that only it is powerful enough to stop these problems, then how could we have stopped them?!

This is when you sue, hard.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Election integrity is a media hysteria. Nobody is forcing anyone to vote in a particular way. I think transparency is a real issue - knowing who is funding those adverts and campaigns and putting controls on campaign spending is important. Sure, no-one is forcing you to vote a particular way. But if they can control what you see, here and know about an issue, they don't need to force you - do they?

> knowing who is funding those adverts and campaigns and putting controls on campaign spending is important. If I understand you correctly, you are advocating for anti-privacy by _forcing_ advertisers into "transparency"? > putting controls on campaign spending is important That sounds dangerous. How would you feel if we put some campaign spending controls on campaigns you _agree_ with and promote? Controlling campai…

> If I understand you correctly, you are advocating for anti-privacy by _forcing_ advertisers into "transparency"?

That's absolutely correct. If you donate more than a certain sum to campaign, you should be forced to be transparent about it.

> That sounds dangerous. How would you feel if we put some campaign spending controls on campaigns you _agree_ with and promote?

I live in a country where all political parties are bound by exactly such rules. Moreover TV advertising by political parties are is explicity banned. Instead parties are allocated short 'Party political broadcast' slots on the main channels.

It doesn't feel particularly "dangerous".

There doesn't need to be a global law.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sure, no-one is forcing you to vote a particular way. Persuasion works and can be bought with money. It would be naive to think any of us in this thread are immune to persuasion.

This reply doesn't persuade me to belive that persuasion works, thus proving that people can't be arbitrary persuaded into ideas that they don't agree with.

Excellent. Therefore we should ban all political advertising - because such a ban will have no effect.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

> Election integrity is a media hysteria. Nobody is forcing anyone to vote in a particular way. I think transparency is a real issue - knowing who is funding those adverts and campaigns and putting controls on campaign spending is important. Sure, no-one is forcing you to vote a particular way. But if they can control what you see, here and know about an issue, they don't need to force you - do they?

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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The four points being: * harmful content * election integrity * privacy * data portability I think Zuckerberg's intent is to dilute the real issue (privacy) with these other three points. FB has a bad record when it comes to privacy and they are actively taking measures against it. For example, they lobby against privacy laws [1]. They create shadow profiles and they make it difficult or impossible to delete your acc…

Spend 10 minutes in some of the FB comment threads for a major news article and just look at all the toolbags citing Breitbart and/or Mother Jones as journalism and then come back and tell me that election integrity is media hysteria.

Facebook is the only place some of these people get their "news" and Facebook does nothing to distinguish an opinion blog from an actual journalist. We have millions of people flocking to Alex Jones for information and calling into question the authenticity of Reuters.

That and it's 2019 and we don't even have a secure MEANS of voting. We can make Facebook, which is probably a billion LOC with hardly any security flaws yet our voting machines have default credentials of admin/admin and run on decade old technology that has never been peer reviewed.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: The Internet needs new rules. Let’s start in these four areas

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So, when I was worried about Facebook censoring speech, I was told "well, this is a private company, you don't like these policies, you can make your speech somewhere else". Now what Zuckerberg is proposing is: "Internet companies should be accountable for enforcing standards on harmful content.". This means no company can host anything government decided is "hate speech". And if you think he just aims for voluntary compliance - no, "Regulation could set baselines for what’s prohibited and require companies to build systems for keeping harmful content to a bare minimum." Regulation means government setting what "harmful content" is, and forcing platforms to remove it. And yes, "hate speech" is very much included. Moreover, the providers should be mandated to report to the government how efficient they are in suppressing speech: "Facebook already publishes transparency reports on how effectively we’re removing harmful content. I believe every major Internet service should do this quarterly, because it’s just as important as financial reporting."

Anybody wants to tell me I am still too paranoid when I think Zuckerberg and likes want to destroy free speech on the internet and turn it into a platform controlled and policed by major providers, where speech not approved by them and the government would be suppressed? That article certainly confirms every suspicion I had.

It's no longer "you don't like FB censorship, find yourself another platform". It's "now that we built censorship in FB, look how nice it is - why not have the government use it as a model to impose it on the rest of the internet?"

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