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US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by masonic »

dragonwriter wrote: post #101
xxpor wrote: post #98

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States have never had separate sovereignty in international affairs.

> States have never had separate sovereignty in international affairs. And yet their separate sovereignty, allegedly restricted to “domestic” affairs, is why the US, through it's court system, allows US states to ignore US international commitments (notably, the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations) in their execution of their criminal law.

No, the United States formally withdrew from the Optional Protocol to the Convention concerning the Compulsory Settlement of Disputes 14 years ago. The cases alluded to in the parent comment (Sanchez-Llamas v. Oregon, Medellin v. Texas) came after the US withdrawal from the Optional Protocol.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by masonic »

erentz wrote: post #142
toast0 wrote: post #127

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Use state of birth, if it's encoded on the passports, and if not, require a visa from everyone until state of birth is encoded on the passports. As a point of order, US states do have citizens. As a US citizen, I'm also a citizen of the state in which I reside.

So someone born in Morocco who moved to France and became a French citizen should be denied visa free entry to the US because their citizenship by your standard is actually Moroccan.

If that birth was before 1994, that person has French citizenship anyway, if a parent was born before Moroccan Independence.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by masonic »

Scoundreller wrote: post #169
kartan wrote: post #12

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Exactly that. From https://www.eulisa.europa.eu/Activities/Large-Scale-It-Syste... " ETIAS is a pre-travel authorisation system for visa exempt travellers." Video explaining the system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=orrBJiXAcSU

Exactly. An American can still drive to Europe without an ETIAS, so it’s not a visa. Makes sense, don’t it?

  An American can still drive to Europe
The logistics are a bit tricky, however.

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Post by mk89 »

sgift wrote: post #244
mk89 wrote: post #192

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> You suggest to look at each EU country individually (just also keep in mind that there are no border controls beetween the EU countries in the Schengen Zone). In such case, should we also look at each US state individually (because they are also not uniform, e.g. some are much poorer than the others)? It's not the same. When you are born in California, your citizenship is "US". When you are born in Bulgaria, your c…

> I am European, however this comment makes me laugh. USA can literally crash EU in a couple of weeks, if they want to. It doesn't mean I need to live with fear, for God's sake, but just saying. That's maybe what the US believes (or some of the "America is special" hardliners) and if you believe it too I would say their propaganda did a good job. They can neither militarily nor economically do this, even if they wish…

> That's maybe what the US believes (or some of the "America is special" hardliners) and if you believe it too I would say their propaganda did a good job. They can neither militarily nor economically do this, even if they wish they could.

Says who?

You don't need to crash a country just by throwing bombs at them. Just look at how dysfunctional the EU is.

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Post by patrickaljord »

casefields wrote: post #242
patrickaljord wrote: post #188

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Checking in from Paris, yes they do bring a lot of money.

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

Sorry, yes I noticed he was being sarcastic but just wanted to make it clear for anyone wondering :)

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Post by kyriakos »

torstenvl wrote: post #257
kyriakos wrote: post #256

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I never said EU is one country but the OP said: "It’s not as easy for a Bulgarian to go live in France". Which is false.

That is not correct. The quote is "It’s not as easy for a Bulgarian to go live in France AND claim French citizenship compared to a Californian fully moving to Texas" (emphasis added). In the interest of promoting honest discourse, please do not truncate people's statements. If a Californian "fully" moves to Texas, i.e., establishes domicile there, then they become a citizen of Texas. That is a key difference.

ok then I misunderstood the original post. The way I understood was that those are two different actions 1. Bulgarian live in France, 2. Bulgarian claim French citizenship.

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Post by m463 »

lisper wrote: post #134
rmind wrote: post #60

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Just a few points: - Tit-for-tat response is a geopolitical reality. Regardless whether you think it is pre-school model or not, this is what pretty much all countries do, as it is a perfectly rational way (and sometimes even the only way) to defend your interests. By rational I am talking about the Game Theory kind of rational. :) - You suggest to look at each EU country individually (just also keep in mind that the…

> Tit-for-tat response is a geopolitical reality. It's also an evolutionarily stable strategy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionarily_stable_strategy

I learned about it in regard to the prisoner's dilemma:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

> Strategy for the iterated prisoner's dilemma

...

> The winning deterministic strategy was tit for tat, which Anatol Rapoport developed and entered into the tournament. It was the simplest of any program entered, containing only four lines of BASIC, and won the contest. The strategy is simply to cooperate on the first iteration of the game; after that, the player does what his or her opponent did on the previous move. Depending on the situation, a slightly better strategy can be "tit for tat with forgiveness". When the opponent defects, on the next move, the player sometimes cooperates anyway, with a small probability (around 1–5%). This allows for occasional recovery from getting trapped in a cycle of defections. The exact probability depends on the line-up of opponents.

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Post by ElBarto »

casefields wrote: post #241
ElBarto wrote: post #179

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The EU exists because of Europeans. The US do not want the EU to be a political power. The US have had the 20th century, that great for them but it's high time for Europe to recover.

You don’t see how the Marshall Plan helped at all? That of course, being after that little skirmish of World War 2.

The Marshall Plan was the US keeping the Reds at bay.

Peanuts in comparison to the jackpot that WWII was for the US, and it cemented their influence.

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