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Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by bitL »

afarrell wrote: post #210
bitL wrote: post #30

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Spot on an industry-wide blacklist is yours!

In order for an industry-wide blacklist to exist, large numbers of people would need to have access to it. This large number of people at many different, competing organisations would have no reason to trust each other to keep a secret. The existence of such a list, the details of its construction, and the possible Social Justice implications of this would attract so many eyeballs and so much advertising revenue, tha…

Unless those news publications are put on the same list, losing access to latest stuff and their relevance. See what is known about Hollywood, internal Google blacklists, Apple preventing newspapers access to latest gadgets as a retaliation for bad reviews, "gatekeepers" in other "mature" industries etc. Seems like it's a defect in human nature, or a really bad heuristics, emergent with increased organizational size and a buffer shielding an individual bureaucrat from fully comprehending that as a moral choice with serious consequences to somebody else.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by thtthings »

gotocake wrote: post #253
objektif wrote: post #242

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It does not describe every single person in a country. However, if you deny that certain countries have certain cultural identities you are lying to yourself.

I would argue that reducing more than a billion people who don’t even speak the same language, eat the same food, listen to the same music, worship the same gods... to a single stereotype is the sweaty face of ingorance, no matter how you try to dress it up or defend it. The fact that “arguments” such as yours always seem to be devoid of a grounding in reality and exist as appeals to emotion or common sense speaks fo…

You got to be kidding. Here are the things I can safely say about most Indians, not all, "most":

1. They eat roti and rice. 2. They speak Hindi 3. They wash not wipe their ass. 4. They are Hindu and worship one of the Avtars of shiva and all believe in bharma and bhraman.

Some things are common across a culture. The first step is to acknowledge the problem then we can solve it

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

Circumnavigate wrote: post #219
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #120

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It could be argued the best thing to do is gang up on them, record and post your conversations with them, and tirelessly work to undermine them. Otherwise we're all complicit in allowing bad actors to get away with their behaviour.

In California you are not legally allowed to audio record someone in private without their consent. They must know that they are being recorded for it to be used as evidence in court.

This reminded me of a comment I read some years ago.

Here it is:

You seem obsessed with laws, as if they possess value and worth in and of themselves, when really they are a very high latency sidechannel of society and power.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6033481

It's probably a bit too sharp a response to your comment, but it certainly get's the point across.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by bitL »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #180
ownagefool wrote: post #103

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Well yeah, but who cares? I went on to much bigger and better things and he's probably still just a twat. :)

He might still be taking advantage of and hurting people though, just like there's people like him making life harder for someone with a disabled child and many other "horror stories", the worst of which will never come to light. Please don't get me wrong, I don't blame you at all for not picking that fight, at age 25 in a situation I know nothing about. But that situation is over, other situations aren't, future sit…

Yeah, I am actually upset I didn't take one such person down when I had all cards in my hand, but I still believed in innate "goodness" of all humans; now that person is doing damage at a higher position at one of FANGs; who knows how many people were destroyed on their ascending path? The usual argument about stopping one that would allow another horrible person to rise, so it's futile, has some merit though; I've been shocked multiple times when I helped some desperate person only to observe horrible behavior of that person once their problems went away.

Forgiveness can't be dispensed automatically; it has to be deserved/earned by real actions/intentions. I think because mainstream culture was "meek", it allowed sociopaths to hack it and pervert it, pushing victims to always forgive while laughing at them and making their lives more and more miserable. I think in middle ages required penance was quite brutal by our contemporary soft standards.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by simplecomplex »

You’re a software engineer. Quit and move on. So your boss is a dick. Invoking civil rights and Martin Luther King Jr.!? Melodramatic and offensively out-of-touch with reality.

The only thing you should have done was tell your boss to fuck himself and get another job. That’s it. No need for a 2000 word blog post. No need for a “protest”.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by all_blue_chucks »

mindfulplay wrote: post #162

Sorry to be pedantic as this is often incorrect: King county was NOT named after MLK Jr, but rather changed recently from referring to Rufus King to MLK Jr. I had mistakenly believed this too before I learnt about our history. But Washington State is indeed named after George Washington.

It's no accident you assumed that. King County Metro uses MLK as their logo, so you can't even walk a block downtown without seeing a 10-ft mobile billboard of MLK's face.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by gotocake »

thtthings wrote: post #262
gotocake wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that reducing more than a billion people who don’t even speak the same language, eat the same food, listen to the same music, worship the same gods... to a single stereotype is the sweaty face of ingorance, no matter how you try to dress it up or defend it. The fact that “arguments” such as yours always seem to be devoid of a grounding in reality and exist as appeals to emotion or common sense speaks fo…

You got to be kidding. Here are the things I can safely say about most Indians, not all, "most": 1. They eat roti and rice. 2. They speak Hindi 3. They wash not wipe their ass. 4. They are Hindu and worship one of the Avtars of shiva and all believe in bharma and bhraman. Some things are common across a culture. The first step is to acknowledge the problem then we can solve it

You got to be kidding. Here are the things I can safely say about most Indians, not all, "most": 1. They eat roti and rice. 2. They speak Hindi 3. They wash not wipe their ass. 4. They are Hindu and worship one of the Avtars of shiva and all believe in bharma and bhraman. Some things are common across a culture. The first step is to acknowledge the problem then we can solve it

The first step is actually learning about something to the point that, when you talk about it, you’re doing something other than revealing and revelling in your own ignorance.

For example...

1. Rice and flatbread are staples around the world. All of India doesn’t eat roti, feel free to learn about the many varied cuisines of India sometime. For example, some parts of India have a tradition of eating beef, others of eating pork, still others tend to be vegetarian. Some regions have blazingly spicy cuisine, others are mild.

2. No, again, even a cursory search online would show you otherwise.

3. Stop spying on people in the toilet.

4. Only the Hindus, not the Muslims, Sikhs, and other religions.

I won’t be replying again, I’m having a hard time assuming that you’re posting in good faith, and if you are that’s worse in a way.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by john_moscow »

gotocake wrote: post #212
john_moscow wrote: post #207

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Being racist would be discriminating someone based on their race without actually looking into the circumstances. Pointing out cultural roots of a very real problem and openly taking about it is a totally different thing.

Pretending that “Indian” describes a single culture composed of more than a billion people is the defintion of racism. India is an incredibly diverse place full of people who have less in common in terms of culture (not to mention language) than a Californian does with a New Yorker.

Yet if you compare a Californian and a New Yorker to a Russian like myself, you can safely bet that both will smile more and be less direct in conversations due to the cultural differences.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by elliekelly »

avinium wrote: post #173
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #99

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I was recently offered a job by a software company, work from home, paid monthly. I presently work in metal fabrication. Not only was their offer $30,000 below my current income, their deal was I front cash for expenses and submit claims monthly. Is this standard in the software world? Because from my perspective there’s only one possible answer to paying expenses out of pocket and having to claim them back: No.

> Is this standard in the software world? This is standard in every world. Corporate credit cards are usually reserved for senior executives or people who travel/entertain a lot (e.g. sales reps). Cash advances aren't a thing outside of small companies.

I had an AmEx @ Deloitte as an intern

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by gotocake »

john_moscow wrote: post #268
gotocake wrote: post #212

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Pretending that “Indian” describes a single culture composed of more than a billion people is the defintion of racism. India is an incredibly diverse place full of people who have less in common in terms of culture (not to mention language) than a Californian does with a New Yorker.

Yet if you compare a Californian and a New Yorker to a Russian like myself, you can safely bet that both will smile more and be less direct in conversations due to the cultural differences.

You haven’t met many New Yorkers have you?
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